Wouldn’t job performance be a better measure than some arbitrary test?
Or, you know, you could evaluate their ability to do the job as part of the hiring process.
Most countries have civil service exams, there’s nothing wrong with that. The question is, will these “aptitude” tests be about actually competency? Or will they be about adherence to Millie and his ideology? If the tests amount to “are you an an-cap”, then they will be little more than a thin justification for firing these workers. Based on his governing philosophy so far, I would bet that this is the real endgame.
Most countries have civil service exams, there’s nothing wrong with that. The question is, will these “aptitude” tests be about actually competency? Or will they be about adherence to Millie and his ideology? If the tests amount to “are you an an-cap”, then they will be little more than a thin justification for firing these workers. Based on his governing philosophy so far, I would bet that this is the real endgame.
I’m good with this as long as all the politicians have to pass too.
it depends. They’re asking questions about deep lore of laws, (budgeting, Estate administration, contracts) to graphic designers, logistics experts, IT guys.
Math and logic problems to janitors, communication experts and proofreaders.
Also, the tests are only forced into the lowest category of public epmployyes, the temproary and contractors. Those are the real muscle of the public administration since they are doing all the hard work out of fear of being laid out, since their contracts are very flimsy. The LGBT quota employees, the women quota and the “permanents” (the ones that got to work just to warm the chair since they can’t be fired) are safe. They’re not evaluated.
These exams are as stupid as anything this administration has done till now. Everything is made just to forge big, capital headers in the media. But in the end, is just retarded and autistic.
Definition of an aptitude test, a test that makes sure that every government employee agrees with everything Milei says.
I’m sure Trump will be giving tests soon.
If his barber has any aptitude, he hasn’t shown it
Can’t wait to see what an ‘aptitude’ test designed by the heritage foundation looks like. Guessing it’ll be something like, ‘if an unemployed person subsisting on government services gets recycled into animal feed, is that economically beneficial, neutral, or a loss?’.
Yes.
Yes, but not is the form of an arbitrary test.
Can’t speak for Argentina, but in the US one of the best ways to get rid of bad employees is to transfer or promote them.
But in the case of my uncle, he has to write 8 long documents to promote someone competent. He says he uses chat gpt to paraphrase the same bullshit for each document.
Does doing good on this exam get you a raise?
Why does this all look like it was photographed in the 80s
Should the president and his picks? Because the next batch will fail
Yes. All should be subjected to tests. If you a mayor and can’t pass a basic civics, geography, history and math tests then you shouldn’t be a mayor. If ever kid in the country has to learn calculs in high school then a mayor should be able to do basic algebra.
the president of the USA should be required to do so.
Fuck yes
It is near impossible to fire a GS. I am a government employee and I think we all need to pass standards & evaluation for our jobs.
Yeah, in the U.S. there’s literally the merit test. You have to have demonstrated experience of successfully performing a similar/related job at the next lower or same level to even qualify for an interview.
You go through an initial screening questionnaire, then an HR specialist reviews your resume against the job posting, then the hiring agency reviews the resumes that made it through this far, they then rank them, and the top ranked get interviews. THEN only the top 2-3 get a second interview and then the top candidate gets an offer. Often agencies have things similar to IQ tests that they conduct along with the experience questionnaire. All told, the hiring process can take six months to a year.
I can’t speak to the experience in other countries, but in the U.S. our civil service is often over-qualified for their positions, and the ranks are full of very smart people who are experts in their given fields.
If you think about it, it almost HAS to be this way. Legislators are mostly former attorneys, and don’t have a lot of technical expertise in scientific fields such as civil engineering, the medical field, etc. Thus, they have to rely on technical experts in federal agencies to regulate these industries.
I’m not really sure where the “lazy” and “incompetent” government employee comes from, but I’m assuming it comes from external-facing clerical staff who are often over-worked and under resourced. If you think about it it’s pretty wild that only ~2m federal employees are serving a nation of +350m, and most of these are in federal prisons or the postal service.
As someone who works for the government I approve this message. There is a TON of dead weight of worthless check collectors just taking up space / tax payer money
Looks like more of an attempt to fire people without pushback
I think it’s ok but it could be dangerous if there was any subjective material on the test
Taking all government jobs, determining the bare minimum aptitude to accomplish each one, designing thousands of tests, acquiring the space to administer the tests, hiring all the people giving and grading the tests will be extraordinarily inefficient.
I’m assuming that there’s an overwhelming amount of nepotism and political patronage in a country like Argentina.
I could be wrong but it’s things like this that have Millie thinking that a very neo-lib approach will work. It is also more than likely why Millie is currently leading Argentina.
I have changed my opinion on Millie over the last few months. He may be what Argentina needs right now.
Over time I hope Millie adopts more progressive policies as the situation improves in Argentina. Again, this may be what Argentina needs in the short term.
I just hope that he believes in an Aristotle quote –
” It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without truly believing in it”
That hair needs an aptitude test
They should give a competency test to his barber
Can we require this for politicians?
We have a lot to learn
Only if their managers have to pass the same test. In my experience, the higher you go in any government organization the less competence you get. People at the top literally don’t have any idea what their agency even does, they got the job due to nepotism and just show up for photo ops.
Sure … I would put money on Trump not passing.
If this happened in the U.S. I know a few people personally that are losing their jobs lol.
i mean sure, but who will be designing this test and what competency will it test for, because i can personally tell you that my boss has no actual idea what all i and the team do
while i can support the idea, it’s implementation will certainly be incorrect
I’m lazy and incompetent but I’m also REALLY GOOD AT TESTS. They do this here, I’m about to be Director.
Question #1:
>Do you like me?
>(Yes/No)
> (Milei)
Need an aptitude test for voters. Especially in the US.
Are they going to do the same for Milani’s hairdresser? I’m feeling like all the trumpians around the world all have this thing with really bad hair cuts. We need some Poli sci people on this question
Do you actually think that’s what they’re testing for?
The problem is the opportunity for corruption. Either from the examiner “do you swear allegiance to Millei and his cronies” or from the employee pulling favors or giving money to pass.
Dude looks like an evil anime character.
Why would they take an attitude test. Isn’t that basically like an SAT? Hard to imagine that has anything to do with whatever their jobs are
Definitely
That is how most of us qualify for any job in America, except for the nepo babies and rich kids born into connections.
what is the hiring process for if not this exact concern? what are performance reviews if not for this exact concern? what a stupid question. its an obvious yes, but with the phrased implication that competency has never been considered until now. Im so sick of social media.
Maybe we should have programs where we have people learn things.
Like they could be required for certain positions to prove that they understand things.
At the end they would have documents proving they accomplished this.
Institutionalizing civil service and professional licensing exams are the two things Latin American countries like Argentina need, in order to filter their workforce by reducing excess unemployed college-educated pool from the economy. These are something East Asian countries already fixed a long time ago.
His hair though?!?
Why is the image of Milei so heavily edited? The guy doesn’t look like that.
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Wouldn’t job performance be a better measure than some arbitrary test?
Or, you know, you could evaluate their ability to do the job as part of the hiring process.
Most countries have civil service exams, there’s nothing wrong with that. The question is, will these “aptitude” tests be about actually competency? Or will they be about adherence to Millie and his ideology? If the tests amount to “are you an an-cap”, then they will be little more than a thin justification for firing these workers. Based on his governing philosophy so far, I would bet that this is the real endgame.
Most countries have civil service exams, there’s nothing wrong with that. The question is, will these “aptitude” tests be about actually competency? Or will they be about adherence to Millie and his ideology? If the tests amount to “are you an an-cap”, then they will be little more than a thin justification for firing these workers. Based on his governing philosophy so far, I would bet that this is the real endgame.
I’m good with this as long as all the politicians have to pass too.
it depends. They’re asking questions about deep lore of laws, (budgeting, Estate administration, contracts) to graphic designers, logistics experts, IT guys.
Math and logic problems to janitors, communication experts and proofreaders.
Also, the tests are only forced into the lowest category of public epmployyes, the temproary and contractors. Those are the real muscle of the public administration since they are doing all the hard work out of fear of being laid out, since their contracts are very flimsy. The LGBT quota employees, the women quota and the “permanents” (the ones that got to work just to warm the chair since they can’t be fired) are safe. They’re not evaluated.
These exams are as stupid as anything this administration has done till now. Everything is made just to forge big, capital headers in the media. But in the end, is just retarded and autistic.
Definition of an aptitude test, a test that makes sure that every government employee agrees with everything Milei says.
I’m sure Trump will be giving tests soon.
If his barber has any aptitude, he hasn’t shown it
Can’t wait to see what an ‘aptitude’ test designed by the heritage foundation looks like. Guessing it’ll be something like, ‘if an unemployed person subsisting on government services gets recycled into animal feed, is that economically beneficial, neutral, or a loss?’.
Yes.
Yes, but not is the form of an arbitrary test.
Can’t speak for Argentina, but in the US one of the best ways to get rid of bad employees is to transfer or promote them.
But in the case of my uncle, he has to write 8 long documents to promote someone competent. He says he uses chat gpt to paraphrase the same bullshit for each document.
Does doing good on this exam get you a raise?
Why does this all look like it was photographed in the 80s
Should the president and his picks? Because the next batch will fail
Yes. All should be subjected to tests. If you a mayor and can’t pass a basic civics, geography, history and math tests then you shouldn’t be a mayor. If ever kid in the country has to learn calculs in high school then a mayor should be able to do basic algebra.
the president of the USA should be required to do so.
Fuck yes
It is near impossible to fire a GS. I am a government employee and I think we all need to pass standards & evaluation for our jobs.
Yeah, in the U.S. there’s literally the merit test. You have to have demonstrated experience of successfully performing a similar/related job at the next lower or same level to even qualify for an interview.
You go through an initial screening questionnaire, then an HR specialist reviews your resume against the job posting, then the hiring agency reviews the resumes that made it through this far, they then rank them, and the top ranked get interviews. THEN only the top 2-3 get a second interview and then the top candidate gets an offer. Often agencies have things similar to IQ tests that they conduct along with the experience questionnaire. All told, the hiring process can take six months to a year.
I can’t speak to the experience in other countries, but in the U.S. our civil service is often over-qualified for their positions, and the ranks are full of very smart people who are experts in their given fields.
If you think about it, it almost HAS to be this way. Legislators are mostly former attorneys, and don’t have a lot of technical expertise in scientific fields such as civil engineering, the medical field, etc. Thus, they have to rely on technical experts in federal agencies to regulate these industries.
I’m not really sure where the “lazy” and “incompetent” government employee comes from, but I’m assuming it comes from external-facing clerical staff who are often over-worked and under resourced. If you think about it it’s pretty wild that only ~2m federal employees are serving a nation of +350m, and most of these are in federal prisons or the postal service.
As someone who works for the government I approve this message. There is a TON of dead weight of worthless check collectors just taking up space / tax payer money
Looks like more of an attempt to fire people without pushback
I think it’s ok but it could be dangerous if there was any subjective material on the test
Taking all government jobs, determining the bare minimum aptitude to accomplish each one, designing thousands of tests, acquiring the space to administer the tests, hiring all the people giving and grading the tests will be extraordinarily inefficient.
I’m assuming that there’s an overwhelming amount of nepotism and political patronage in a country like Argentina.
I could be wrong but it’s things like this that have Millie thinking that a very neo-lib approach will work. It is also more than likely why Millie is currently leading Argentina.
I have changed my opinion on Millie over the last few months. He may be what Argentina needs right now.
Over time I hope Millie adopts more progressive policies as the situation improves in Argentina. Again, this may be what Argentina needs in the short term.
I just hope that he believes in an Aristotle quote –
” It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without truly believing in it”
That hair needs an aptitude test
They should give a competency test to his barber
Can we require this for politicians?
We have a lot to learn
Only if their managers have to pass the same test. In my experience, the higher you go in any government organization the less competence you get. People at the top literally don’t have any idea what their agency even does, they got the job due to nepotism and just show up for photo ops.
Sure … I would put money on Trump not passing.
If this happened in the U.S. I know a few people personally that are losing their jobs lol.
i mean sure, but who will be designing this test and what competency will it test for, because i can personally tell you that my boss has no actual idea what all i and the team do
while i can support the idea, it’s implementation will certainly be incorrect
I’m lazy and incompetent but I’m also REALLY GOOD AT TESTS. They do this here, I’m about to be Director.
Question #1:
>Do you like me?
>(Yes/No)
> (Milei)
Need an aptitude test for voters. Especially in the US.
Are they going to do the same for Milani’s hairdresser? I’m feeling like all the trumpians around the world all have this thing with really bad hair cuts. We need some Poli sci people on this question
Do you actually think that’s what they’re testing for?
The problem is the opportunity for corruption. Either from the examiner “do you swear allegiance to Millei and his cronies” or from the employee pulling favors or giving money to pass.
Dude looks like an evil anime character.
Why would they take an attitude test. Isn’t that basically like an SAT? Hard to imagine that has anything to do with whatever their jobs are
Definitely
That is how most of us qualify for any job in America, except for the nepo babies and rich kids born into connections.
what is the hiring process for if not this exact concern? what are performance reviews if not for this exact concern? what a stupid question. its an obvious yes, but with the phrased implication that competency has never been considered until now. Im so sick of social media.
Maybe we should have programs where we have people learn things.
Like they could be required for certain positions to prove that they understand things.
At the end they would have documents proving they accomplished this.
Institutionalizing civil service and professional licensing exams are the two things Latin American countries like Argentina need, in order to filter their workforce by reducing excess unemployed college-educated pool from the economy. These are something East Asian countries already fixed a long time ago.
His hair though?!?
Why is the image of Milei so heavily edited? The guy doesn’t look like that.
Would he be taking the test as well?
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