Incarceration Rates: Foreign-Born Nationals are Underrepresented in the Anglosphere but Overrepresented in Europe [OC]

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1. Source: [Financial Times: The Anglosphere has an advantage on immigration](https://www.ft.com/content/c6bb7307-484c-4076-a0f3-fc2aeb0b6112) 

   One of the most interesting phenomenon’s between the English-speaking world vs Europe is their immigration patterns. In the US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland, foreigners are all under-represented among each countries’ prison populations relative to their total foreign born populations. However, for mainland Europe, it is the complete opposite with prisons in countries like Switzerland, Greece, and Austria being majority foreign-born.

2. Is this because people are more likely to move from one Anglo country to another? 

3. okay this is data but it’s Microsoft Excel default settings

4. Switzerland prison is apparently an international backpacker hostel

5. Today I learned that in Greece, despite making up only 12% of the population…

6. Sweden is surprising, I’d expect more disparity

7. Most native Swiss people know that breaking the law is illegal in Switzerland.

8. Anglosphere countries have stricter immigration rules than most European countries, which filters for more law obedient foreigners (despite some populists saying otherwise). They are also surrounded from most sides by large water bodies, naturally tapering down illegal migration and refugee flows that bring in unvetted immigrants to Europe. Also there might be judicial bias and language barriers which exacerbate the problem in Europe.

9. English speaking countries are turning foreigners to low abiding residents?

10. Doesn’t seem to be any correlation with this and crime rates, at least in terms of homicide rate. Switzerland has the lowest homicide rate on this list and USA has the highest – If my memory serves me right.

11. US just has so much home grown crime the immigrants can’t keep up.

12. TL:DR: Language and geography.

    Anglophone countries benefit from drawing on a huge global pool of educated English-speakers, and from having fewer land borders, allowing more control over who enters the country. Another factor is failed integration policies across much of Europe.

13. Fun Fact:

    Australia, Canada and New Zealand the “anglosphere” content of their populations is very similar, 68-70% of their populations.

14. It’s a lot easier being a migrant in an Anglo country.

    Anglo’s are culturally about that business.

    It blows my mind that migrants can be safe and successful in Anglo countries but then in continental Europe they’re just treated like second hand furniture.

15. Does the Australian figure include the thousands of people in immigration ‘detention’

16. This really shows how important the quality of migrants is.

    Immensely different crime rates between countries with indiscriminate immigration and those who have strict requirements for entry, regardless of total immigration.

    I suppose it should be obvious… a Chinese person with a PhD isn’t the same as a Syrian refugee.

17. I think another uncomfortable factor is the Anglo countries (besides Ireland) have their long-standing discriminated groups who fill their prisons. Black and indigenous people disproportionately are imprisoned in the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. In many ways recent immigrants in Europe are filling a similar niche as black and indigenous people in those countries.

18. I heavily suspect they all imprison mostly poor minorities. The Anglosphere just attracts more rich immigrants and has other poor minorities to put in prison (African American and indigenous like Maori and Aboriginal Australians). Meanwhile many European countries have more poor refugees from other countries and few minorities that have citizenship.

    Also why the UK is almost 50/50 because they are a mix of both.

    Edit: Also the Schengen area makes it quite easy for crime gangs to operate across several countries. Both UK and Ireland aren’t part of Schengen while Switzerland is part of it (and very conveniently located).

    I think I am onto something:

    * 52% of people in New Zealands prisions are Maori [https://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-sector-policy/key-initiatives/key-initiatives-archive/hapaitia-te-oranga-tangata/](https://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-sector-policy/key-initiatives/key-initiatives-archive/hapaitia-te-oranga-tangata/)
    * 28% in Canada are indigenous people: [https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/oip-cjs/p3.html](https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/oip-cjs/p3.html)
    * 33% in Australia are Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander [https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/prisoners-australia/latest-release#aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-prisoners](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/prisoners-australia/latest-release#aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-prisoners)
    * 38.9% in the US are black: [https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_race.jsp](https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_race.jsp)

19. It is the hallmark of a good immigraion policy if it doesn’t let future prisoners into the country .

20. Not surprising given skills based immigration vs refugees fleeing violence

21. Europe needs to bar all males between 14-60 from certain places.

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