Next time you see/hear someone crying about something in the country ask them why do you keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

by Pink1Floyd4d

33 comments

  1. Call me crazy but I have a theory that the people whinging are not the same people voting FFG.

  2. Currently in work listening to a trio of 50+ co workers defending Harris snapping at the carer because “ah, shur ye know yer self when yer tired or in a hurry and you don’t mean it”. Want to bash a wall down with my head

  4. People generally aren’t complaining to be honest.

    Maybe your circle of friends are but generally anyone I talk to is fairly loaded and doing ok.

    Look at any concert that goes on sale. Selling out at ridiculous prices because people have a huge amount of disposable cash

  5. Politics in this country is never about voting to ensure that the people you want to get into power do. With the inevitability of coalition negotiations, conference and supply agreements et cetera it’s about voting in such a way that the fuckers you don’t want to get into power don’t.

    That is one of the failings of proportional representation. As much as people hate admitting it there are some advantages to first past the vote election systems.

    They are more clear-cut so that people know what they are getting, and the governments tend to get shit done. As opposed two weeks of negotiations for a programme for government that tries to cater to the manifesto promises of all involved and ends up very weak.

  8. I have never in my life said that the country is fucked and/or basically destroyed.

  9. Ahh, the salt in this sub is so funny. Maybe one day this sub will realise it’s not representative of the country as a whole!

  10. Did people really not learn from the US election that Reddit is not an accurate representation of the whole voter demographic

  11. Have you considered that the people voting for FF and FG are not the same ones complaining?

  12. I’m kind of fed up listening to people complain about politics in Ireland and then not voting or doing anything really. My constituency had nearly 20 candidates ranging from far left to far right. Transferable votes means your vote does and can have an impact. Try living in a first past the post constituency that has never changed hands in 80 years… that’s justified apathy.

  13. And yet some bollockses in central Dublin think voting for a crime lord is good for the country. Mad times

  14. Ya, in fairness ff and fg going into government together, in 2020 was a huge historic shift in Irish politics.

    I don’t see another major shift along those lines, ie a majority SF government, for at least another 15/20 years.

  15. Had a full blown argument with my dad when I told him I’d be voting Lab/SocDem/Green because honestly fuck FFFG and the shitehawk they came in on. My dad was staggered that I’d consider voting Greens because ‘they’ve destroyed the country with their petty squabbles’.

    Talk about an inability to see the wood from the trees.

    It’s absolutely *infuriating*.

  16. Almost as if FG/FF voters don’t spend all their time on Reddit constantly moaning. This sub is like a SF echo chamber at times.

  19. Certain people once again getting upset that Reddit is not representative of reality.

  20. ‘By *my* local FF/FG TD wouldn’t do anything bad. They show up to the residents association meetings and got funding for the new pitch!’

  21. I think the story that’s coming through is of an age divide. Older voters who own their houses and are comfortable voted for the status quo. Younger voters went for non gov parties but looks like not enough of them voted to give those parties a majority. Although it’s early days and I think there will be a few bloody noses for the gov as well as the greens being wiped out, which wasnt reflected by the exit poll last night

  22. The majority of this country see a booming economy, low unemployment, massive tax takes, assets like housing increasing in value, a fairly generous social welfare structure, a visible increase in house building all over Ireland. A COVID crises and Brexit handled very well in general.

    That’s why they are voting as they are.

    I’m not saying that the underlying issues are being tackled well in reality or that we are not careening towards our next crisis.

    But the optics are this country is doing well and being handled well with the qualifier that we have serious issues.

  25. The people who moan the loudest seem to vote the least. Happy enough myself with how it’s going.

  26. 40% turnout is the issue people should have,if you want change it takes people to come together and do it,not hope that somone else stands up and does it for you,id be interested in the statistics of first time voters as thats where the future is.if a large ammount of first time votes were for the likes of SF,SD ect then at least you know there is a turn towards change in this country on the horizon but its going to take decades for that to happen if the majority of people dont even vote

  27. Chances are the ones giving out, are usually the ones who don’t bother to vote.

  28. Not everyone lives on Reddit, constantly moaning and cribbing about everything. Maybe just maybe folks who do this here and online are out of touch with the average person out there who doesn’t think Ireland is a failed state…

  29. No matter what you say, this is the truth. Even if someone else comes in and we have the same issues, at least you can say you tried

  30. More concerned about the people not voting citing “politically disillusioned” as the reason.

  31. I own my own home, but I would love to see everyone be able to buy one. Just because I own one doesn’t mean I don’t care about homelessness or people caught in the rental trap.

    However, Sinn Féin is the only viable alternative, and their proposed financial policies were a mess. I really considered them as an alternative but when I read their proposals, they are all pie in the sky.

    They want to scrap property tax, which is the only real “wealth tax” we have.

    They want to decrease the tax-free threhold for pension contributions, which is insane given the ageing population and looming pension crisis.

    They want to “tax the rich” to give to the poor, but only PAYE earners, of whom no one is actually rich. Their benchmark of rich is the squeezed middle by anyone else’s measure. The actual rich don’t pay tax in Ireland because it’s already so punitive, so have left, or have properties etc structured into their self-employed pension, which have different rules to the rest of us.

    They keep saying they will allocate more funding to housing, but funding is not the issue. The issue is the flawed planning system and not enough developers/builders/trades, and I didn’t see any plan to address that.

    People say, well they can’t make things worse. But you only have to look at what has happened in the UK or US to know that is not true.

  32. I’m still salty i wasn’t able to vote, why do they do it on weekdays, when everyone is working or in education?

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