Zelensky says he needs Nato guarantees before entering peace talks with ‘killer’ Putin
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/01/ukraine-zelensky-demands-nato-guarantees-peace-talks-putin/
Zelensky says he needs Nato guarantees before entering peace talks with ‘killer’ Putin
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/01/ukraine-zelensky-demands-nato-guarantees-peace-talks-putin/
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**From The Telegraph:**
Volodymyr Zelensky said that his country needed security guarantees from Nato and more weapons to defend itself before any talks with Russia.
Ukraine’s president made the comments after meeting [Kaja Kallas](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/10/08/europes-new-iron-lady-kaja-kallas-says-west-mustnt-negotiate/), the EU’s new head of diplomacy, and Antonio Costa, freshly appointed president of the European Council, who were visiting Kyiv as a show of support on their first day in office.
“An invitation for Ukraine to join Nato is a necessary thing for our survival,” Mr Zelensky said at a press conference with Mr Costa.
It comes after Mr Zelenksy appeared to shift his position dramatically on Friday by accepting that [Ukraine may have to give up some territory “temporarily” to end the war](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/29/zelensky-russia-war-territory-ukraine/). He said the occupied land could be negotiated back in the future “diplomatically”.
Ukraine faces a tough winter ahead, with Russia unleashing devastating barrages against its power grid and Kyiv’s fatigued forces [losing ground on the frontline](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/26/russia-in-quickest-advance-since-start-of-ukraine-war/).
Questions are also swirling around the future of US support once [Donald Trump assumes the presidency in January](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/28/ukraine-russia-energy-attack-zelensky-putin-latest-news/), with fears he could force Kyiv to make painful concessions in pursuit of a quick peace deal.
Mr Zelensky said his country needed to be in a “strong position” before any talks with the Kremlin, calling for “steps forward with Nato” and a “good number” of [long-distance weapons](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/25/donetsk-frontline-russia-ukraine-zelensky-putin-war-latest/) to defend itself.
“Only when we have all these items and we are strong, after that, we have to make the very important… agenda of meeting with one or another of the killers,” the Ukrainian leader said, adding that the EU and Nato should be involved in any negotiations.
Mr Costa said the European Union would give Ukraine its “unwavering” support, telling Mr Zelensky: “We have stood with you since the very first day of this war of aggression, and you can count on us to continue to stand with you.”
The European Union’s new leadership team is keen to show it remains firm on backing Kyiv at a [perilous moment for Ukraine](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/20/ukraine-war-kyiv-victory-still-possible-putin/) nearly three years into its fight against Russia’s invasion.
Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, threatened this week to strike government buildings in Kyiv with his [new Oreshnik missile](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/22/vladimir-putin-hazelnut-russia-ukraine-oreshnik-missiles/), after the US gave Ukraine approval to fire long-range Atacms missiles into Russia for the first time.
A Russian drone dropped explosives on a bus in the southern Kherson region on Sunday, killing three people, authorities said, while the Russian army claimed to have captured two new frontline villages in the east.
On Friday Mr Zelensky appeared to begin staking out his position ahead of any potential peace talks.
He called on Nato to offer guaranteed protections to parts of Ukraine controlled by Kyiv in order to “stop the hot stage of the war”, and implied he would then be willing to wait to regain other territory seized by Russia.
“If we will have a frozen conflict without any strong position for Ukraine, Putin will come back in two, three or five years,” Mr Zelensky said on Sunday.
Ms Kallas told journalists on the journey into Ukraine that for Kyiv “the strongest security guarantee is Nato membership”.
“We need to definitely discuss this – if Ukraine decides to draw the line somewhere then how can we secure peace so that Putin doesn’t go any further,” she said.
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Just give Ukraine some nukes. Fuck it.
Why don’t we just say we’re not gonna put Ukraine in NATO, and then do it anyways. Like Russia said they weren’t going to invade Ukraine after Ukraine made the pragmatic decision to give away their Nukes. Then did it anyways. /s
I don’t think nato has the balls to guarantee anything. They are so scared of putler and his nukes.
The only reliable security guarantees are those that fit the 152mm barrel.
Couldn’t we just restart Ukraine elections and see if Zelensky is re-elected.
Trump wouldn’t let this happen to Russia.
What is Zelensky going to continue waging war with once Trump arrives? Troops have already run out, and weapons deliveries will end this month. And NATO will give him squat as far as any security guarantees are concerned, because no one wants to directly fight the Russians
Ukraine needs Nuclear weapon. And not because it needs to use it, more of a fence against Russia. Only then then conflict can be frozen permanently and Ukraine can expect peace.
This is an honest question I have. Would it really make a difference though?
From how things have been going. I believe the EU is avoiding as much as possible to go to war with Russia regardless of NATO or not. The threats and events feel like they are not being taken seriously. Most people I talk to say they would rather flee than fight a war.
For example if Ukraine was part of NATO then it would automatically be assumed EU and US is at a direct war with Russia vs. “Indirect”. Would they just start tossing rockets towards other European countries? This part I don’t really understand. Or would you have nato troops just fighting in Ukraine?
At this point, just give Ukraine nukes. The US can say they failed to support ukraine and keeping its borders intact. Invalidating the surrender of nukes and to compensate. Just give them exactly 15 nukes.
As in, capable of flattening the 15 major cities of Russia. It will end this stupid war, even Putin doesn’t want to see Russia die. No more deaths, russia will fall back and we have a new state of coldwar but between Russia and Ukraine.
NATO ‘guarantees’ lol … Trump is weeks away from dismantling NATO as per Kremlin directives
We’l likely see something similar to Sweden and Finland, where the UK guaranteed their independence just prior to them publicly announcing their NATO bid.
Appeasement phase…
Worked great last time… Right?
What would actually happen if NATO said. Yo.. we are letting Ukraine join NATO.. it will kick in on this date (like a month in future) any aggressions of Ukraine after that date is an ageession on NATO?
I guarantee Putin would shit his pants and GTFO before that date
Accepting Ukraine into NATO immediately would likely just result in buildups on both sides. More reasonable would be a set of thresholds that must be first met before joining NATO, including drawdowns from both sides. Then back it up with a stick in case it doesn’t happen, and incentive to Russia… that if Russia doesn’t drawdown on its lines along with Ukraine, that after X time Ukraine will get more advanced NATO weapons.
Zelensky isn’t stupid, he knows any ceasefire or “peace” deal will just be a chance for Russia to build up its forces before returning to finish the job in greater force.
He _needs_ some sort of additional security guarantee, otherwise he’s just signing away the country.
That would open the question what advantages would nato have by allowing them to join. Wouldn’t nato possibly win more by ukraine keeping fighting against Russia?
Ukraine already has bilateral agreements with various western countries for security.
lol. What leverage does he have? Oh yeah, all those minerals that both the US and Russia want. The US doesn’t give a shit about Ukraine or how many people die, it’s always been about how much money we can make off them.
NATO intervention to Ukraine now. Let’s just throw Russians out of Ukraine like Saddam from Kuwait in 1991.
Putin will undoubtedly poison him, his go to, Poison Putin they call him, Uranium up his sleeve, don’t go near a window, a man bringing death to all, really, Zelensky should not be in the same country with this murderer
atp i think this is an overall plot to destabilize the west. why hasn’t this guy died yet for one and for two, why is there always some sort of nato involvement when they dont even qualify for it
its weird that hes trying to guilt trip the west/nato for funding when the funding is just making the MIC richer. is anyone thinking
NATO should just fucking agree and stop wasting time. Putin sucks donkey dick and knows it so won’t do shit if Ukraine joins NATO.
Looking at the comments I am so thankful that redditors don’t get a say in geopolitics
What does it take to lose NATO status? Ukraine is a Sovereign Nation has a freely elected President and Russia attacks Ukraine killing thousands. With no provocation thousands are dead and Russia suffer no consequences.
Why the apostrophes around killer? It’s what he is, no speculation about it.
Yet again, Zelenskyy is signaling that he’ll need to be deposed for peace talks to happen without saying it…
Ukraine should demand one nuke for every 1000km2 they have to give up. at this point it would be 160 nukes.
Imagine the atrocities that Putin will do to the people of Ukraine for defending themselves from his aggression
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