Now from the EU side, what brings Georgia to the table?
The most pro eu people are in Georgia. Maybe the EU should talk about security guarantees with the current government if they unfreeze the negotiations.
But in Georgia itself, the protesters heavily outnumber the police. The opposition should help them organise better.
As an Estonian, I fully support Georgia and hope you will join the EU as soon as you remove GD from the parliament. I wish I could do more to help than just express my support.
Great work!
Little comments:
Soviet Union was formed in 1922. We were invaded by the Russian Red Army in 1921.
And to add context:
I’d say The Struggle to reintegrate into Europe begun with the fall of Byzantine Empire. Because of this a Christian Nation found itself surrounded by Muslim Empires.
In 1783 Eastern Georgian Kingdom (Kartl-Kakheti) signed the Treaty of Georgievsk with the Russian Empire, becoming their protectorate. This was done as a way to integrate with Europe through Russia, which also had the same religion. This has backfired tremendously as Russians did not commit to the treaty, allowing (and possibly encouraging) Persians to Burn Tbilisi down in 1795. In 1801 the Kingdom was annexed by the Empire, followed by the annexation of Western Georgian Kingdom of Imereti in 1810.
Since then there’s been the struggle to get away from Russia and return to the European community.
From what I’ve heard you can’t become part of the EU if you don’t control all of your claimed territories. This is obviously stupid but is it true and if yes what do you think Georgia will do?
Turkey sponsored NATO membership of Georgia but rest of NATO wasn’t as enthusiastic, now Georgians are paying the price.
What percentage of Georgia’s exports go to Russia and how much to the European Union?
As much as I like Georgia, is that country even in Europe, being south of the Caucasus mountains?
Why are Soviet Union and Russia used interchangeably when Georgians Dzhugashvili, Ordzhonikidze and Beria are responsible both for Soviet rule in Georgia and tens of millions of deaths in Soviet Union? Georgia also was the only republic to have riots when Khruschev disavowed Stalin.
Victory and freedom to 🇬🇪 🇺🇦 🇲🇩 🇪🇺
As a Ukrainian my heart is in so much pain for Georgians… We payed and still paying a huge price for making our own choices. And for inability of russians to live like normal people. And it’s terrible that you need to do it to. But at this point it’s the only way to fight russian influence.
And I’m so sorry to say that, but if riots will be successful be prepared to have a war
Yes, also Armenia too. That means less fronts for Turkey in a possible campaign also keeping war out of Anatolia. They might hold the right wing
To all European citizens:
Tell your leaders to take action and sanction the Russian puppets in Georgia. These individuals, who undermine democracy and align with Russian interests, enjoy the privileges of life in Europe. They own properties in your countries, vacation in your cities, and send their children to your universities.
Our oligarch even holds dual French citizenship. It’s time to make it clear: Europe should not be a safe haven for those who betray freedom and justice. Demand your leaders hold them accountable and make them feel unwelcome.
Rofl. It’s almost like the Ukraine war isn’t going on specifically due to pre or post election coups cheered on by those who know better.
What a densely revisionist history, fit only for a child that learned Georgia existed yesterday.
TL:DR – They hate Russia, like all its neighbors.
At this rate Armenia will join EU before you guys…
make sure that majority elects proeu goverment on next elections and go for it.
I very much hope to see Georgia in the EU some day.
The next part of my comment may seem a bit.. disappointing, especially considering the valiant struggle against the Russian oligarch from The Georgian Dream.
I fear that neither Georgia or the EU is ready for a Georgian ascension.
The EU cannot handle more countries without removing the veto that member states has. The EU is already paralysed as is. Adding more countries will just make it even slower. What the EU really need is an overhaul to make decision-making faster. Right now, a country like Hungary can hold the entire EU hostage. Now imagine a party like The Georgian Dream doing the same.
Likewise, the EU must have plans in place to combat democratic backsliding in its member states.
Finally, Georgia like Ukraine, Moldova and other aspiring countries still has a lot of corruption to deal with. Right now, all three mentioned countries would be on the receiving end of EU funds. We need countries that will be contributing as well.
People voted but now minority who didn’t win elections are causing problems.
Saw the same scenario in 1999 in my own country.
The same modus operandi caused by the western countries and the arresting president and sending him to Hague on 28 june, the most holy of holies date in our entire history.
Then traitors took reins of power in Serbia, sold all factories to foreign and domestic businessmen for pennies on the dollar.
20y later people are barely making ends meet, everything worth selling is already sold and we got western democracy eg modern day slavery
I am not surprised about georgia nor I was surprised when it happend to Ukraine, same writer is following the same script, laughable but true.
Former Soviet states probably need to form a more regional security agreement so they still have international support without needing to rely on larger European countries that want to use them as a buffer state.
I wholeheartedly support your plea to join the western alliances, but what baffles me is why your people glorify Stalin if you were hurt so much by Soviet Union and Russia? I know that he was born Kartvelian, but he was a monster that caused deaths of millions of people.
Ok, that’s all great and all. But I would like to ask the following question:
*Why does the EU and NATO need Georgia?*
Cause they share a lot of similarities with Hungary, who in recent years has been sabotaging the EU from within. (And Slovakia is also on the route seemingly)
Who is to say that if Georgia fulfills all their requirements today and joins, that they don’t go down the same path as Hungary? Cause joining the EU also comes with rules and requirements that a lot of people do not like (and then they vote in a russian puppet anyway).
The EU needs to have some reforms first before we let more unstable countries join. Cause else it will eat us from the inside. As a European I consider the safety of the EU to be more important than the safety of Georgia.
Thats what Ukraine thought and we all know how it ended.
Not that this is fair by any means, but reality is, that russia is an imperialist state that will use violence to force its interests (as are other states, but that is not relevant to your case)
As far as it is known, the election was as fair as it can be given the corrupt elites in Georgia. Your priority should be, to preserveand deepen democracy. The day when russian imperialism ends will come, but it is not today. If NATO tried to integrate you today, there would be another war. One that Georgie could not win by any means.
EU, UN, and NATO have proven to be completely useless by the Ukraine war. They can’t handle the one crisis already in progress, so how can they handle more?
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Now from the EU side, what brings Georgia to the table?
The most pro eu people are in Georgia. Maybe the EU should talk about security guarantees with the current government if they unfreeze the negotiations.
But in Georgia itself, the protesters heavily outnumber the police. The opposition should help them organise better.
As an Estonian, I fully support Georgia and hope you will join the EU as soon as you remove GD from the parliament. I wish I could do more to help than just express my support.
Great work!
Little comments:
Soviet Union was formed in 1922. We were invaded by the Russian Red Army in 1921.
And to add context:
I’d say The Struggle to reintegrate into Europe begun with the fall of Byzantine Empire. Because of this a Christian Nation found itself surrounded by Muslim Empires.
In 1783 Eastern Georgian Kingdom (Kartl-Kakheti) signed the Treaty of Georgievsk with the Russian Empire, becoming their protectorate. This was done as a way to integrate with Europe through Russia, which also had the same religion. This has backfired tremendously as Russians did not commit to the treaty, allowing (and possibly encouraging) Persians to Burn Tbilisi down in 1795. In 1801 the Kingdom was annexed by the Empire, followed by the annexation of Western Georgian Kingdom of Imereti in 1810.
Since then there’s been the struggle to get away from Russia and return to the European community.
From what I’ve heard you can’t become part of the EU if you don’t control all of your claimed territories. This is obviously stupid but is it true and if yes what do you think Georgia will do?
Turkey sponsored NATO membership of Georgia but rest of NATO wasn’t as enthusiastic, now Georgians are paying the price.
What percentage of Georgia’s exports go to Russia and how much to the European Union?
As much as I like Georgia, is that country even in Europe, being south of the Caucasus mountains?
Why are Soviet Union and Russia used interchangeably when Georgians Dzhugashvili, Ordzhonikidze and Beria are responsible both for Soviet rule in Georgia and tens of millions of deaths in Soviet Union? Georgia also was the only republic to have riots when Khruschev disavowed Stalin.
Victory and freedom to 🇬🇪 🇺🇦 🇲🇩 🇪🇺
As a Ukrainian my heart is in so much pain for Georgians… We payed and still paying a huge price for making our own choices. And for inability of russians to live like normal people. And it’s terrible that you need to do it to. But at this point it’s the only way to fight russian influence.
And I’m so sorry to say that, but if riots will be successful be prepared to have a war
Yes, also Armenia too. That means less fronts for Turkey in a possible campaign also keeping war out of Anatolia. They might hold the right wing
To all European citizens:
Tell your leaders to take action and sanction the Russian puppets in Georgia. These individuals, who undermine democracy and align with Russian interests, enjoy the privileges of life in Europe. They own properties in your countries, vacation in your cities, and send their children to your universities.
Our oligarch even holds dual French citizenship. It’s time to make it clear: Europe should not be a safe haven for those who betray freedom and justice. Demand your leaders hold them accountable and make them feel unwelcome.
Rofl. It’s almost like the Ukraine war isn’t going on specifically due to pre or post election coups cheered on by those who know better.
What a densely revisionist history, fit only for a child that learned Georgia existed yesterday.
TL:DR – They hate Russia, like all its neighbors.
At this rate Armenia will join EU before you guys…
make sure that majority elects proeu goverment on next elections and go for it.
Georgians complaining about Soviet Union oppression, ironic, considering it was ruled by a Georgian during the worst period. They were also biggest fans of Stalin back then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956_Georgian_demonstrations
I very much hope to see Georgia in the EU some day.
The next part of my comment may seem a bit.. disappointing, especially considering the valiant struggle against the Russian oligarch from The Georgian Dream.
I fear that neither Georgia or the EU is ready for a Georgian ascension.
The EU cannot handle more countries without removing the veto that member states has. The EU is already paralysed as is. Adding more countries will just make it even slower. What the EU really need is an overhaul to make decision-making faster. Right now, a country like Hungary can hold the entire EU hostage. Now imagine a party like The Georgian Dream doing the same.
Likewise, the EU must have plans in place to combat democratic backsliding in its member states.
Finally, Georgia like Ukraine, Moldova and other aspiring countries still has a lot of corruption to deal with. Right now, all three mentioned countries would be on the receiving end of EU funds. We need countries that will be contributing as well.
The most common destination for the exports of Georgia. What benefit does Georgia have when the export is going to ex Soviet countries except Bulgaria which is in EU… are [China](https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/chn/partner/geo) ($759M), [Azerbaijan](https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/aze/partner/geo) ($668M), [Russia](https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/rus/partner/geo) ($642M), [Armenia](https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/arm/partner/geo) ($571M), and [Bulgaria](https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/bgr/partner/geo) ($502M).
Fuck the Russian government and its allies.
People voted but now minority who didn’t win elections are causing problems.
Saw the same scenario in 1999 in my own country.
The same modus operandi caused by the western countries and the arresting president and sending him to Hague on 28 june, the most holy of holies date in our entire history.
Then traitors took reins of power in Serbia, sold all factories to foreign and domestic businessmen for pennies on the dollar.
20y later people are barely making ends meet, everything worth selling is already sold and we got western democracy eg modern day slavery
I am not surprised about georgia nor I was surprised when it happend to Ukraine, same writer is following the same script, laughable but true.
Former Soviet states probably need to form a more regional security agreement so they still have international support without needing to rely on larger European countries that want to use them as a buffer state.
I wholeheartedly support your plea to join the western alliances, but what baffles me is why your people glorify Stalin if you were hurt so much by Soviet Union and Russia? I know that he was born Kartvelian, but he was a monster that caused deaths of millions of people.
Ok, that’s all great and all. But I would like to ask the following question:
*Why does the EU and NATO need Georgia?*
Cause they share a lot of similarities with Hungary, who in recent years has been sabotaging the EU from within. (And Slovakia is also on the route seemingly)
Who is to say that if Georgia fulfills all their requirements today and joins, that they don’t go down the same path as Hungary? Cause joining the EU also comes with rules and requirements that a lot of people do not like (and then they vote in a russian puppet anyway).
The EU needs to have some reforms first before we let more unstable countries join. Cause else it will eat us from the inside. As a European I consider the safety of the EU to be more important than the safety of Georgia.
Thats what Ukraine thought and we all know how it ended.
Not that this is fair by any means, but reality is, that russia is an imperialist state that will use violence to force its interests (as are other states, but that is not relevant to your case)
As far as it is known, the election was as fair as it can be given the corrupt elites in Georgia. Your priority should be, to preserveand deepen democracy. The day when russian imperialism ends will come, but it is not today. If NATO tried to integrate you today, there would be another war. One that Georgie could not win by any means.
EU, UN, and NATO have proven to be completely useless by the Ukraine war. They can’t handle the one crisis already in progress, so how can they handle more?
TL;DR: Fuck Russia
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