It gives sexworkers the same rights and protections as other workers, so yes I would say it’s a net positive. It should also help crack down on bad agents in the sector as they either follow workers protections or get prosecuted as pimps, which previously was a grey area.
This is a huge win and the result of multiple years of coordinated effort by the closest thing they have to a union.
Prostitution will always exist. Either you ban it and let human traffickers run it illegally, or you regulate it and protect the workers.
This is a win.
Many sexworkers are part of human trafficking , they will probably not be eligable for this.
yeah, that’s a win.
As long as they pay taxes just like everyone else
Of course this is a win, sex workers aren’t any less than the lazy inefficient government workforce……. on the contrary!
Ja, ik wil niet weten hoeveel mannen andere dingen zouden uitspoken zonder deze “uitlaatklep”.
If you can’t get rid of it, might as well tax it.
If they pay taxes, its all fine by me. They contribute and thus should get rights to everything from HI, Pensions, sick days, maternity leave and such. Probaly would even add extra protection for the industry they live in. Violent customers & “bosses” are not uncommon in that sector i bet.
Honestly it’s stuff that makes me proud to be a Belgian.
Kindness and protection for an otherwise vulnerable part of society
Yes
-it takes sexwork out of the illegal circuit (bad for human traffickers)
-it protects the sexworkers (can file official complaints, they can unionize, if they are employed they will have to go to “arbeidsgeneeskunde” where they can signal a toxic work environment)
-they will pay taxes on the income (good for the tax-revenue )
-if you go to a sexworker and want to be sure you’re not going to someone exploited, it will be easier to check (unionized?, certificate from labor doctor, …)
-it’s possible to have a contract between sexworker and client of the agreed price and what is permitted, if you go outside the contract it will be sexual assault.
yes I’m aware their will still be an illegal circuit, but if it’s possible to go legal I think a lot of people will do it.
Of course it’s a win?
Why/how would people getting rights and/or better lives *not* be a win??
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it’ s not without flaws ( example: apparently there is something about refusing customers… which no other employee can do, as far as i know)…. I also think it won’t be a success because pimps won’t register and being “self employed” has fiscal advantages….
Like it or not, it is always a win when “précarisés” people gets rights.
Also, think of the baby.
Why is there a lens flare (or whatever) on the x of sex?
Yes. It’s an enormous win
Sex. The first word is SEX.
I’m not technically a Belgian, but I am damn proud to live here. Common sense legislation that actually helps people is at a premium these days.
How can this NOT be a win I’m genuinely curious?
Does that mean “independents” also get sick days?
More rights is always good. The problem is transforming the rights into reality.
Yes. If sex work is legal then it should also have all the protections offered to other legal work.
Why not? Of course it’s a win for the workers. Wel done Belgium 💯
As long as prostitution isn’t suggested for people who struggle to find a job it’s always gonna be a win
No. It’s moving our society further from God and promotes indecency. Prostitution does injury to the dignity of the person who engages in it, reducing the person to an instrument of sexual pleasure. The one who pays sins gravely against himself: he violates the chastity to which his Baptism pledged him and defiles his body, the temple of the Holy Spirit. Prostitution is a social scourge.
Now do the same for all self-employed workers.
There are already two threads about this, but to summarize in short: this is an excellent thing. These people are human beings too, and we should treat them as such, and not as some kind of illegal slaves. They may work in a way that we do not aspire, but their choice or their life events are not ours to judge. The work to gain money, and should at least have the decency of not being beat up by their boss, of not having to work 2 days after giving birth, and to have at least a basic pension when they’ve become too old to work
Obviously yes.
Whatever ickiness you or others may have towards these people’s line of work should not deprive them of basic human rights and dignity in the workplace.
This is a phenomenal change and I hope other countries follow suit.
of course it’s a win! Why wouldn’t they be eligible for those things
Yes, these women deserve sick days, pension, maternity leave, …
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Work is work. So yes, obviously.
It gives sexworkers the same rights and protections as other workers, so yes I would say it’s a net positive. It should also help crack down on bad agents in the sector as they either follow workers protections or get prosecuted as pimps, which previously was a grey area.
This is a huge win and the result of multiple years of coordinated effort by the closest thing they have to a union.
Prostitution will always exist. Either you ban it and let human traffickers run it illegally, or you regulate it and protect the workers.
This is a win.
Many sexworkers are part of human trafficking , they will probably not be eligable for this.
yeah, that’s a win.
As long as they pay taxes just like everyone else
Of course this is a win, sex workers aren’t any less than the lazy inefficient government workforce……. on the contrary!
Ja, ik wil niet weten hoeveel mannen andere dingen zouden uitspoken zonder deze “uitlaatklep”.
If you can’t get rid of it, might as well tax it.
If they pay taxes, its all fine by me. They contribute and thus should get rights to everything from HI, Pensions, sick days, maternity leave and such. Probaly would even add extra protection for the industry they live in. Violent customers & “bosses” are not uncommon in that sector i bet.
Honestly it’s stuff that makes me proud to be a Belgian.
Kindness and protection for an otherwise vulnerable part of society
Yes
-it takes sexwork out of the illegal circuit (bad for human traffickers)
-it protects the sexworkers (can file official complaints, they can unionize, if they are employed they will have to go to “arbeidsgeneeskunde” where they can signal a toxic work environment)
-they will pay taxes on the income (good for the tax-revenue )
-if you go to a sexworker and want to be sure you’re not going to someone exploited, it will be easier to check (unionized?, certificate from labor doctor, …)
-it’s possible to have a contract between sexworker and client of the agreed price and what is permitted, if you go outside the contract it will be sexual assault.
yes I’m aware their will still be an illegal circuit, but if it’s possible to go legal I think a lot of people will do it.
Of course it’s a win?
Why/how would people getting rights and/or better lives *not* be a win??
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it’ s not without flaws ( example: apparently there is something about refusing customers… which no other employee can do, as far as i know)…. I also think it won’t be a success because pimps won’t register and being “self employed” has fiscal advantages….
Like it or not, it is always a win when “précarisés” people gets rights.
Also, think of the baby.
Why is there a lens flare (or whatever) on the x of sex?
Yes. It’s an enormous win
Sex. The first word is SEX.
I’m not technically a Belgian, but I am damn proud to live here. Common sense legislation that actually helps people is at a premium these days.
How can this NOT be a win I’m genuinely curious?
Does that mean “independents” also get sick days?
More rights is always good. The problem is transforming the rights into reality.
Yes. If sex work is legal then it should also have all the protections offered to other legal work.
Why not? Of course it’s a win for the workers. Wel done Belgium 💯
As long as prostitution isn’t suggested for people who struggle to find a job it’s always gonna be a win
No. It’s moving our society further from God and promotes indecency. Prostitution does injury to the dignity of the person who engages in it, reducing the person to an instrument of sexual pleasure. The one who pays sins gravely against himself: he violates the chastity to which his Baptism pledged him and defiles his body, the temple of the Holy Spirit. Prostitution is a social scourge.
Now do the same for all self-employed workers.
There are already two threads about this, but to summarize in short: this is an excellent thing. These people are human beings too, and we should treat them as such, and not as some kind of illegal slaves. They may work in a way that we do not aspire, but their choice or their life events are not ours to judge. The work to gain money, and should at least have the decency of not being beat up by their boss, of not having to work 2 days after giving birth, and to have at least a basic pension when they’ve become too old to work
Obviously yes.
Whatever ickiness you or others may have towards these people’s line of work should not deprive them of basic human rights and dignity in the workplace.
This is a phenomenal change and I hope other countries follow suit.
of course it’s a win! Why wouldn’t they be eligible for those things
Yes, these women deserve sick days, pension, maternity leave, …
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