Hi together,

I recently moved to a big building (massiv Gebäude) of 15 floors and need to buy a drill machine which is suitable mainly for drilling into concrete walls.

I found some offers from Bosch with hammer function (Schlagbohrmaschine) but wasn't sure if they are good enough to actually drill into concrete walls.

The building has quite good build quality (believe good mix of concrete and steel rods)

Thanks in advance!

by Indmentalist

16 comments

  1. Correction: I have one from PARKSIDE in picture above but doesn’t work well beyond non concrete walls & wood.

  2. For drilling a few small holes to hang easy things a “Schlagbohrschrauber” is ok, not really good but doable.

    For bigger work, more holes, etc into solid concrete you want a “Bohrhammer”.

    The difference is, that the “Schlagbohrschrauber” just shakes the drill a bit, not providing any real power. You have to do this by force, which is neither pleasant, efficient or good for longevity of the drill.

    A “Bohrhammer” actively hammers the drillbit, and does the work. It’s made to do this for more than 5 minutes at a time.

    Might be worth renting a proper one at a hardware store, instead of buying a cheap one.

  3. Sounds like you‘d need it just for the First Installation or do you Need it more often? Would recommend Check for Baumarkt where you can Rent a machine. Mostly These are high end in my Experience.

  4. You need a Bohrhammer
    If you are tight on budget you can use this https://www.lidl.de/p/parkside-bohr-und-meisselhammer-pbh-1550-c1-mit-meissel-und-bohrerset/p100375643?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=sho-sea_pmax_base-all_notset_ao_shop_nf_sl_ao_p-google&utm_content=&utm_term=&cid=20338350399&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAu8W6BhC-ARIsACEQoDAprJ0tgwugWqB1pU4II2ZXw_1TALKk0YWBKRlXFF3ipHSmhxZ6ZoIaAoIlEALw_wcB

    Sometimes you can get free shipping and ometimea this thing is online for 50euros.

    If you want something to give to your kid in 50 years, take this. https://www.bueromarkt-ag.de/bohrhammer_bosch_gbh_2-28_f_professional_sds_plus_,p-0611267600,l-google-css,pd-b2c.html?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAu8W6BhC-ARIsACEQoDDXAs33_7zD8fydKYGBvN9qsHiY3xtXnQZZFAsnMleY5uzZjs5KRjYaAiuoEALw_wcB

    You should not buy anything in between.

    And no battery, for your own sanity.

  5. I highly recommend buying one with a cable, these battery powered ones are only good for a few years before the battery goes bad and replacement batteries won’t be available by then. The ones with a cable will outlast you and your children.

  6. For concrete, you would need a “Bohrhammer”. They use different bits (not just regular drill bits), with a bit holding mechanism (SDS) that can actually deliver the impact.

    Still, ask your landlord whether you can drill into concrete, and whether you can do it by yourself (instead of calling a professional service).

  7. PKHAP 20-Li

    Concrete is hard and difficult. But pneumatic rotary hammer that will go though concrete almost like through butter. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING SMALLER, not worth your effort.

  8. Get a „Bohrhammer“, a pneumatic drill. Less noisy and far more powerful.

  9. For concrete walls you want a proper drill hammer (Bohrhammer) with a sds chuck. A [solid corded machine](https://www.amazon.de/Bosch-Professional-Zusatzhandgriff-Tiefenanschlag-Handwerkerkoffer/dp/B08X6SVRRC/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1UBX43MT8V6D7&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.XNIrFvCMW5M4GRnPpmdJdF5Ay_nocT_CV5BgQUET_QixEl-wm6sYnHKViR2jiv3WpwXWLfZd436Ph8IakFaS2y12CimwlKi0OTLvuT5AbeeBtSSLHTxB48IEWEG_FeRmuoPTALM9l7WvFMwIq-98oNao5LpaGWFm1SuE8JnozcglyB9vxR5PaTEuS4j-lmc1QTlXuwHUJpByOp-DsoD5ooFO_8RsbvSHmHDFVvIxKVw.qioXO3d7jiOyAeOz9KkL77xIsQX6krBaL3RJvUJZldA&dib_tag=se&keywords=bohrhammer&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1733409644&sprefix=bohrhamme%2Caps%2C117&sr=8-3&th=1) will be a bit cheaper because [a cordless one](https://www.lidl.de/p/parkside-performance-20-v-akku-kombihammer-pkhap-20-li-d4-ohne-akku-und-ladegeraet/p100374358) needs you to get a battery and a charger if you don’t have on from that system yet.

  10. If you just moved somewhere, consider renting aachine first. I just moved and bought a Schlagbohrmaschine that was useless for my apartment, I needed a Bohrhammer. So try it with a rental before buying.

  11. The Names are a bit confusing, because there is not a Norm.
    Generally, a Bohrhammer is stronger, and a Schlagbohrmaschine is lighter. Both will drill into concrete.
    Bohr-und Meißelhammer is another synonym.
    Schlagbohrschrauber is something completely different.

    You can look at the pictures. Some are pictured with SDS-chucks, some with regular chucks. You want one with SDS-chuck. Swappable is OK, but if the main picture shows a regular chuck, then it definitely is not a serious Schlagbohrmaschiene.

    There also should be a big twist knob on the side for selecting between modes and a adjustable looking front grip with a rod on the side.

    Most bigger brands are completely ok. More Money will give you better quality and longer life, but a cheaper one is easily replaced.

    I personally use a Bosch, but only because I already have the batteries. Otherwise, I am a big fan of the corded Makita products.

    If you want to stay with Parkside, then you want the PKHAP 20-Li D4.

  12. For drilling holes in concrete, you should get a Bohrhammer. A Schlagbohrer won’t be of much use for that.

    Also, Parkside is.. eh. It looks nice and chunky, but that’s about it. It may be okay-ish when you’re on a budget and want something for very low intensity, but there are better picks even in that price range.

    I highly recommend Bosch. If you have the money to spend, you should definitely get some “Bosch Blau” tools (the blue ones, their Names usually start with “G”). They are the industry standard, and have really great quality. Something like the [GBH2-28](https://www.bosch-professional.com/de/de/products/gbh-2-28-f-0611267600) is a good one. If you want to start a collection, get it in a L-Boxx
    If you’re a bit tight on the money, “Bosch Grün” is a good alternative. Those are still bosch machines, but more for the home DIY user – meaning they are not as powerful and/or durable as the blue ones (but still good enough). For example, the [PBH 2100](https://www.bosch-diy.com/de/de/p/pbh-2100-re-06033a9300).

  13. For things like this I would go for the Bosch Bosch [PBH2100](https://www.bosch-diy.com/de/de/p/pbh-2100-re-06033a9300). It’s kind of cheap, plenty powerful for all kind of walls.

    And the money you saved for going with a corded device you can spend later on a Bosch [GSR 12V-35](https://www.bosch-professional.com/de/de/products/gsr-12v-35-06019H8000), small, handy and powerful, with tons of other useful devices that use the some batteries. These things are regularly on sale at Amazon for 100€ with a charger, spare battery, drills, ….

  14. You’ll need a Bohrhammer (the Parkside ones are pretty good as well). A Schlagbohrmaschine isn’t strong enough for effortless drilling in concrete walls, especially if it’s a Plattenbau wall, which usually have very dense rebar structures

  15. Honestly…. Yeah those drills are great if you’re going to be doing this professionally, but I was able to handle and my work with a 20v word drill and a CONCRETE drill bit. Get yourself a nice bit and it will be super easy

  16. Rent One fron Boels I needed to Drill thtough a Celler Wall WUB – impervious concrete. About 60 cm. Just held it still and let the drill do the work worked great took about 15 minutes. Just have to always move the drill and bit in and out of the hole to remove the waste pretty often otherwise it can seize in the hole and then you have another problem

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