If one were to apply this definition in an Irish context. How many deaths would fall under this category?

by IrishUnionMan

28 comments

  3. With the taxes, benefits, accommodations, soup kitchens, and community outreach NGOs, probably none

  4. The entire homeless population, everyone who dies on a hospital waiting list and the majority of suicide.

  5. I think you were looking for r/SouthAfrica not sure though.

  6. It doesn’t apply at all. I fucking hate our current system. Genuinely. And on a macro scale, not just Ireland. Its all skewed from what true social values should be, in my opinion, and greed and narcissistic values are really being promoted and celebrated, in a way. But its not “social murder”.

    Things arent great. Things arent apocalyptic either though, and eventually, things will succumb to the relentless march of time and things will change. And then change again. Realism is needed, not dramaticism.

  7. Ireland doesn’t have social murder on the poor in the sense of depriving, we give a lot to people, including accomodation where despite a high number without a house of their own, most do have a roof and somewhere to go….

    The actual social murder I see is the not trackling of anti social behaviour, which degrades qualify of life in poor areas and makes the next generation grow up even more thuggish. For a country with a lot of resources, we don’t apply them effectively to solve these issues, just let them get worse and devolve

  8. > Friedrich Engels condemned prostitution but enjoyed it himself; called for equality but dismissed female suffrage.

    > “If I had an income of 5000 francs I would do nothing but work and amuse myself with women until I went to pieces. If there were no Frenchwomen, life wouldn’t be worth living. But so long as there are grisettes [prostitutes], well and good!”

    Sounds like a bit of a bollix.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/apr/29/friedrich-engels-prostitution-suffrage

  9. You need to post this in all the posts about the UHC CEO.

  10. That would be very difficult to quantify and it heavily depends on how you define several terms:

    – ‘political and social elite’: Who exactly fits into this category?

    – ‘knowingly permit’: At what point do these elites knowingly permit this to happen? To what degree are they expected to attempt to prevent it from happening before being considered to have knowingly permitted it?

    – ‘poorest and most vulnerable’: What income/wealth level is considered to be poorest? When is someone considered one of the most vulnerable members of society?

    – ‘a position in which they cannot reasonably be expected to live’: When does it become unreasonable to expect someone to live? Where is the line drawn on living conditions? People can survive as long as basic physiological requirements such as food and water are met, and nobody dies from starvation in Ireland – is that sufficient to reasonably expect them to live?

    – ‘early and unnatural death’: How young is considered early? It could be argued that people living longer due to improvements in medicine is unnatural.

  11. You’d swear Ireland was a 19th century oligarchy with this post.

    Like we are not sending children to the mines.

  13. Calm down man, above average house price and you’re calling it “social murder” we have one of the highest minimum wages and the highest welfare. Unbelievable employment rates and an amazing quality of life for near everyone (Reddit would have ya think the whole of Ireland is miserable). The poorest and most vulnerable (homeless, refugees, single parent etc) in Ireland are treated better than they would be in almost any other country in the world.

    Remove the victim complex

  14. Ireland has the highest rate of social transfers of any country in Europe.

    Free healthcare (that isn’t as bad as everyone likes to say it is if you actually have seen what healthcare is like around the world), good social security nets, a fair democracy with good representation.

    Ireland is simply not the country people love to say it is

  17. [Top 10% of life expectancy in Europe](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20231106-1)

    [6th best healthy life years in the EU](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Healthy_life_years_statistics)

    [Highest reported level of good health in the EU, with preventable mortality rates 20% lower than EU average](https://eurohealthobservatory.who.int/publications/m/ireland-country-health-profile-2023)

    [9th lowest Gini coefficient of income inequality in Europe](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Living_conditions_in_Europe_-_income_distribution_and_income_inequality)

    [12th out of 28 in Europe for risk of poverty, better than the average.](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240612-1)

    [Third safest country in the world](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/safest-countries-in-the-world)

    So, for a country hell-bent on excluding and stealth-murdering our own citizens, we’re doing a shockingly bad job of it.

  18. FFS, we have one of the highest HDI rankings in the world, best health outcomes, full employment, free education and opportunites for everyone for further education.

    I’d suggest you get out more, come across as a naive teenager reading Communist ideology for the first time.

    People like you are actually dragging people down.

  19. Happens all the time.

    We probably all know someone killed by the HSE.

    Most of this is due to the Irish obsession with right wing nonsense like self-regulation and public/private partnerships. And our libertarian attitude toward government. And our hatred of the poor.

    Sure any society with that toxic brew is going to kill vulnerable people like mad.

    Plus, the state of our roads? Negligence.
    The lack of alternatives? Incompetence and negligence.
    The lack of Gardai. Negligence.
    The lack of mental health care. Negligence.
    And addiction services. Right wing ideology and negligence.

    Etc.

    Plus – and most importantly – our abdication of responsibility. We see all of this and respond by voting in the same people who caused these problems.

    Hire a known murderer to mind your child….what would you expect to happen?

  20. Well considering Ireland has a very high life expectancy, very good social mobility, and relatively low wealth inequality. Not more than any other country.

  21. In Ireland a person born into a very poor family can be given a house, education at a deis school which receives more funding then an average school, reduced points to be able to access better college courses, free education + college + stipend to spend while there.

    There are fantastic opportunities available in Ireland that are not available to 95% of the worlds poor

  22. Honestly, at this point I’ll almost welcome death. It’s no one thing, it never is but I just can’t do this for the rest of my life.

  23. Jesus you’d think this was the 19th Century, cop on. 

    There are certainly huge challenges in this country currently including a housing crisis, a migration crisis, and overcrowded prisons but do not kid yourself into thinking that we live in some Dickensian workhouse.

  24. This is what the “TeH fAMinE was GENocied” brigade normally fail to account for.

  25. The government is committing social murder.

    We irish have a terrible tradition of complaining about people complaining. This post highlights a real issue in our country. Around 120 homeless die every year in Dublin City alone. Ireland has a larger homeless population than fucking Russia. Our government’s actions are deplorable and we shouldn’t make excuses like “Well it’s worse in other places, so we shouldn’t make a fuss over it”. Wake up people.

  26. Very fucking few. This is American brainrot of the highest calibre, where this shite is a lot more relevant

  27. What fascinates me as someone who considers themselves socialist is how many faux socialists live in the 1840’s and think the ideas of 1840’s and argumentation of same. The world has changed. It was Bismarck who introduced the old age pension. Try at least to catchup to the seventies/eighties in your thinking because posts like this are frankly unhinged and discredit socialism.

  28. What are you even talking about? Quoting this commie nonsense, Ireland is a country, if you are poor, unwilling to work, you can live off social handout the rest of your life as a career path. 

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