Kyiv reveals total Ukraine casualties in Putin’s war for first time

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1. Surely these are true numbers.

   Russia has double the casualties and pushing you back. You are struggling to throw people at the front.

   Something does not add up.

2. To spare you the click, it’s 413,000 Ukrainian casualties (43k dead) to 600,000 Russian casualties (undisclosed number of dead).

   Doesn’t sound nearly as lopsided as I’ve been led to believe.

3. There’s a website that uses Ukrainian sources (obtuaries from local Ukrainian newspaper etc) to look at the amount of dead soldiers and it is currently sitting at ~65,000 dead.

   But at least this declaration among others from the Ukrainian government is telling us that Ukraine is now more and more serious about negotiating, I feel like they’re slowly changing the narrative to make a peace-deal that won’t restore Crimea and other Ukrainian territory more palatable.

4. That seems a lot more realistic, I don’t fault Zelensky for inflating the ratio. It is his job to make Ukraine look as good as possible to get more Western aid. I just find it funny that so many people (at least on reddit) actually believed that 1:6 ratio was realistic, propaganda cuts both ways I guess.

5. I think what Trump said about Russia is pretty interesting. Of course it’s just random drivel he posted on his twitter lookalike, but it seems like he believes Russia is weak and that the only sensible choice for them is to negotiate a peace agreement, not necessarily on their terms.

6. Was this release supposed to make trump look bad for saying Ukraine had 400k casualties on Twitter? Because 413k dead and wounded just makes trump sound like a genius

7. There is no way only 43k KIA.
   Zelensky just sugar coats it, and he knows he can’t admit the full truth.
   Also, it has been documented that in many cases, higher ranking military don’t disclose deaths, so they can keep cashing payments and receive supplies.
   Also, there are cases of families not receiving a dime, while the soldier hasn’t been in touch for over a year. The ukr gov just says it’s MIA to postpone or cancel the payments.
   I don’t have any proof, and I haven’t made a proper document with everything added and subtracted, but I read daily updates since the war started and my estimate is about 700k on both sides, with Ukr having 110-140 KIA and the russians 150-180k KIA.
   This war is brutal for both countries

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