Bet your house on some of these MPs having similar arrangements with their tenants.
Are they going to do anything to address the underlying issue of rents being increasingly unaffordable?
My dreams of being a rentboy are dashed. Thanks government
Well..
I do sort of understand why it doesn’t need to be a specific offence. Pretty sure it’s already covered under a number of different offences.
Not condoning it BTW.
Damn England really hates it’s poor, I thought America was aggressively oppressive against the lower class, but you guys just keep on impressing
Of course they wouldnt, the tory party is funded by landlords and it seems many dont see this as a crime (especially given how many people pop up in these treads talking about “women’s bodies their choice” bullshit) so why would tories ever vote to remove one of the ‘perks’ of renting to an attractive poor woman?
Lets not forget how many MPs are also landlords. Im just disgusted so many of you voted for this tory party.
It shouldn’t be a specific offence.
It is so offensive because it highlights the fundamental nature of what sex work is; the desperation-wrought need to turn your most intimate being into a product for those with the wealth to purchase, to consume. It’s fashionable in 3rd wave progressives to pretend sex work is somehow emancipatory, it’s a fantasy by socially insulated middle class people who want to have their cake of cash on the side and self-tittiliating sluttiness, and eat their cake of universal dignity. They don’t go together, and that privilege and social insulation is necessary by its most vocal adherants in order to be able to pretend that they do, or else its the delusion of desperation and seeking to pretend its a choice.
It doesn’t need a specific offence. Sex work itself should tackled, albeit not through making it illegal. Sex work is horrible and exploitative – historically and often still for the usually deprived sex worker, and increasingly so for the socially poor clients.
Who the fuck cares what they vote for anymore, none of that shits affordable anyway.
So what? I don’t see how it is different from prostitution. The proposed bill was just a stupid populist virtue signaling. If you care about sexual workers – regulate sex work like it’s done in Germany, where they have rights protected, aren’t abused, pay taxes, have special insurance for their clients and themselves and even have pensions like everyone else.
Because they literally love fucking people who rely on renting just to live. If it benefits them, they will never vote against it. That and I suspect, they are gonna to get a pay raise soon and bitch about how small it is.
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Wish I got a fucking raise.
If I have sex with someone in exchange for money then use that money to pay my rent, how is that materially different to having sex with my landlord in exchange for rent?
Why not address the issue of why this is happening in the first place? Tories truly are feckless greedy cunts.
What people do with their own bodies should never be a crime
Does that mean Christopher Chope can’t even object to this?
It must pain him greatly.
Surely the best thing to do is to prevent all abuse of power by landlords by making it so that they are not able to exercise power over tenants.
Otherwise you can write all the rules you want, but they’re no good as they will be difficult to enforce, and even if enforcement does happen it does not necessarily prevent incidences of sex for rent. That said I do support such legislation, I just realise its limits.
But you really need tackle the root cause, and that involves landlords having serious coercive power over tenants, particularly those in poor financial situations. This is because tenancies are both expensive and insecure. The root cause is basically that there is not adequate affordable housing and that there is an inadequate safety net for those who fall on hard times, particularly e.g. single mothers.
That means:
* Making rentals legally secure so that landlords cannot quickly evict tenants who do not otherwise have a safe place to stay. Agreements should also be made such that the tenant can more easily end the agreement than the landlord; i.e. the landlord should be committed for as long as the tenant wants to stay.
* Forcing professional management of all properties through a professional licensing scheme to end slumlording and to prevent contact between predator landlords and tenants (the bar should be high enough that most landlords would choose not to self-manage)
* A regulatory agency with actual teeth, clear ways for tenants to request statutory investigations on their behalf and a lot of available inspectors.
* State sponsored mass house building schemes to drive prices down
* An expansion of secure council housing so that vulnerable tenants have a secure place to stay
* An expansion of the welfare state to give people financial stability and prevent them from falling into desperation in the first place
* Curbs to the power NIMBYs have over local councils/government building mandates that cannot be overridden by local authorities
Pretty much all of these things need to happen to put an end to this practice, imo.
Realistically what would be the point?
Sex work is currently legal. You pay someone legally £X amount to have sex with them inside an address. As long as there isnt more than 1 person offering aexual services in that address.
What would be the difference in outlawing “sex for rent” but still allowing a landlord to pay £100 to a tenant for sexual services and that £100 going straight back to the Landlord for rent?
It seems stupid to make it an offence when it should just be something which can’t be enforced through a contract.
Unless we are making sex work illegal, or the paying for sex illegal (I’ve no strong opinion on this either way) it just seems stupid to say you can pay in cash, you can’t pay by offering a room, but you could pay in cash and then get that money back via rent
At least make it so they can’t discriminate based on gender.
Sorry landlords but lots of fat hairy men are gonna be shagging you for a place to stay.
Well, so what?
Nobody has to take the deal, there are other options. And if someone wants to be a prostitute, they can.
Surely this is either prostitution which is legal in the UK or its illegal due to pressure/coercion and so rape/other sexual offence? Why does it need it’s own law?
> He explained he had engaged in this arrangement twice before; many years ago with an Australian friend who couldn’t afford London rent, and more recently with a vulnerable woman he had found on Craigslist.
I thought Craigslist closed their “casual encounters” board?
Sex for rent is a good idea, but I think it should only cover partial rent and if your sex tenant gets pregnant she should bear the full cost of raising the bastard child. Also, pregnancy should be listed as grounds for immediate eviction. I love tories, they find good solutions.
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Reminder that about 30% of MPs are landlords.
Coincidence?
Bet your house on some of these MPs having similar arrangements with their tenants.
Are they going to do anything to address the underlying issue of rents being increasingly unaffordable?
My dreams of being a rentboy are dashed. Thanks government
Well..
I do sort of understand why it doesn’t need to be a specific offence. Pretty sure it’s already covered under a number of different offences.
Not condoning it BTW.
Damn England really hates it’s poor, I thought America was aggressively oppressive against the lower class, but you guys just keep on impressing
Of course they wouldnt, the tory party is funded by landlords and it seems many dont see this as a crime (especially given how many people pop up in these treads talking about “women’s bodies their choice” bullshit) so why would tories ever vote to remove one of the ‘perks’ of renting to an attractive poor woman?
Lets not forget how many MPs are also landlords. Im just disgusted so many of you voted for this tory party.
It shouldn’t be a specific offence.
It is so offensive because it highlights the fundamental nature of what sex work is; the desperation-wrought need to turn your most intimate being into a product for those with the wealth to purchase, to consume. It’s fashionable in 3rd wave progressives to pretend sex work is somehow emancipatory, it’s a fantasy by socially insulated middle class people who want to have their cake of cash on the side and self-tittiliating sluttiness, and eat their cake of universal dignity. They don’t go together, and that privilege and social insulation is necessary by its most vocal adherants in order to be able to pretend that they do, or else its the delusion of desperation and seeking to pretend its a choice.
It doesn’t need a specific offence. Sex work itself should tackled, albeit not through making it illegal. Sex work is horrible and exploitative – historically and often still for the usually deprived sex worker, and increasingly so for the socially poor clients.
Who the fuck cares what they vote for anymore, none of that shits affordable anyway.
So what? I don’t see how it is different from prostitution. The proposed bill was just a stupid populist virtue signaling. If you care about sexual workers – regulate sex work like it’s done in Germany, where they have rights protected, aren’t abused, pay taxes, have special insurance for their clients and themselves and even have pensions like everyone else.
Because they literally love fucking people who rely on renting just to live. If it benefits them, they will never vote against it. That and I suspect, they are gonna to get a pay raise soon and bitch about how small it is.
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Wish I got a fucking raise.
If I have sex with someone in exchange for money then use that money to pay my rent, how is that materially different to having sex with my landlord in exchange for rent?
Why not address the issue of why this is happening in the first place? Tories truly are feckless greedy cunts.
What people do with their own bodies should never be a crime
Does that mean Christopher Chope can’t even object to this?
It must pain him greatly.
Surely the best thing to do is to prevent all abuse of power by landlords by making it so that they are not able to exercise power over tenants.
Otherwise you can write all the rules you want, but they’re no good as they will be difficult to enforce, and even if enforcement does happen it does not necessarily prevent incidences of sex for rent. That said I do support such legislation, I just realise its limits.
But you really need tackle the root cause, and that involves landlords having serious coercive power over tenants, particularly those in poor financial situations. This is because tenancies are both expensive and insecure. The root cause is basically that there is not adequate affordable housing and that there is an inadequate safety net for those who fall on hard times, particularly e.g. single mothers.
That means:
* Making rentals legally secure so that landlords cannot quickly evict tenants who do not otherwise have a safe place to stay. Agreements should also be made such that the tenant can more easily end the agreement than the landlord; i.e. the landlord should be committed for as long as the tenant wants to stay.
* Forcing professional management of all properties through a professional licensing scheme to end slumlording and to prevent contact between predator landlords and tenants (the bar should be high enough that most landlords would choose not to self-manage)
* A regulatory agency with actual teeth, clear ways for tenants to request statutory investigations on their behalf and a lot of available inspectors.
* State sponsored mass house building schemes to drive prices down
* An expansion of secure council housing so that vulnerable tenants have a secure place to stay
* An expansion of the welfare state to give people financial stability and prevent them from falling into desperation in the first place
* Curbs to the power NIMBYs have over local councils/government building mandates that cannot be overridden by local authorities
Pretty much all of these things need to happen to put an end to this practice, imo.
Realistically what would be the point?
Sex work is currently legal. You pay someone legally £X amount to have sex with them inside an address. As long as there isnt more than 1 person offering aexual services in that address.
What would be the difference in outlawing “sex for rent” but still allowing a landlord to pay £100 to a tenant for sexual services and that £100 going straight back to the Landlord for rent?
It seems stupid to make it an offence when it should just be something which can’t be enforced through a contract.
Unless we are making sex work illegal, or the paying for sex illegal (I’ve no strong opinion on this either way) it just seems stupid to say you can pay in cash, you can’t pay by offering a room, but you could pay in cash and then get that money back via rent
At least make it so they can’t discriminate based on gender.
Sorry landlords but lots of fat hairy men are gonna be shagging you for a place to stay.
Well, so what?
Nobody has to take the deal, there are other options. And if someone wants to be a prostitute, they can.
Surely this is either prostitution which is legal in the UK or its illegal due to pressure/coercion and so rape/other sexual offence? Why does it need it’s own law?
> He explained he had engaged in this arrangement twice before; many years ago with an Australian friend who couldn’t afford London rent, and more recently with a vulnerable woman he had found on Craigslist.
I thought Craigslist closed their “casual encounters” board?
Sex for rent is a good idea, but I think it should only cover partial rent and if your sex tenant gets pregnant she should bear the full cost of raising the bastard child. Also, pregnancy should be listed as grounds for immediate eviction. I love tories, they find good solutions.