>Housing is the single biggest problem of the last 50 years. Older readers of this newspaper had the prospect of buying their own house. It wasn’t easy but you decked out a couple of rooms and worked your way through it. Now houses have to be fully fitted out before anyone would move in.
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> most young people prefer some course in college and Coppers on a Thursday night rather than getting their hands dirty on a building site.
Couldn’t resist getting the digs in there Colm
We’ve multiple generations.
But don’t vote
> Housing is the single biggest problem of the last 50 years
Not the troubles? Not the institutionalized rape of children by the Catholic Church? Not the Magdalene laundries?
Right so.
Yes Colm, It doesent work for us. It only works for people who got lucky in the years prior to the bang in 07 and the one who are now in their 40s and beyond who bought up in the 00s and early 2010’s. Anyone born in the 90s beyond is screwed. Im 32 and living the stereotypical trappings of the day.
But sure look, our great political overlords in all of their smarmy wit and wisdom know whats best for us and they’ll solve the crisis and itll all be dandy!! sure even if people vote 60% for some fo of political change, we still get the same pony show!
And also, as your rightly aluded to – part of the problem is that my generation and the generation after me is that we are “lazy” and it’s our own fault… theres a huge undercurrent of that in this article. An old man who doesent get the modern world, and doesent want to either. It has become such a nasty country in the last 10/12 years. A land of haves and have nots. Fuck ye I have mine!
When I was young and everyone was going to emigrate and there were no jobs…wait, is it still the same?
A generation of Hulk Hogans by the sound of it
I recently returned after 12 years. My main takeaway has been how difficult the transition into being an Irish resident is. Lots of bureaucracy. Everything requires a form, payment, and time. Maybe it will be different 12 months from now but right now the move back is hard.
A stop we voted for ffg again it can’t be that bad
This is not news
Colm o rourke is essentially only concerned with Colm o rourke and continues to love media attention and will do anything to get it
What a tosser
Ireland doesn’t work for young Irish people. Never has, never will.
>most young people prefer some course in college and Coppers on a Thursday night rather than getting their hands dirty on a building site.
This is true in the States as well. I don’t blame them. None can afford a home much less an apartment on the kind of pay they can get. Wages have stagnated for decades. And fewer go to college because it’s so damn expensive. This means a less educationally developed populace that then makes decisions like electing Donald Trump.
Believe or know
I think it’s greed and short sightedness isn’t it. Everyone, at every point – who could – took the piss. Politicians. Bankers. Landlords. Builders. Plenty of immigrants have taken the piss too. We’ve gone from being a complete kip in the early 80s to rolling in dough to €8 pints. Swings and roundabouts. Someone has to pay. Here we are…
My wife would have loved to get her hands dirty on a building site, but she graduated during the crash and had to leave the country. She is now back and on a building site, since that’s a thing that is happening again. Imagine that.
Isn’t o rourke a developer that lost money to NAMA
A generation of young people around the world believe their country doesn’t work for them
Nothing unique in this respect about Ireland
They should’ve gotten and voted then.
That’s because we have this obsession with owning a house by the time we’re in our 20’s and often single, It’s ridiculous.
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TBF this is the feeling across most of western Europe
This guy used to be my teacher, he taught economics and PE. I should say supposedly he never showed up PE and was there was one economics class for the year that he was always late too. I always wondered what he actually was meant to be doing, he never put effort into teaching that’s for sure. Unless you were a good footballer you were invisible to him. I found it strange he applied for the principal job as he put so little into the teaching work, but the pension certainly helped. Him calling younger generations lazy or entitled is the height of hypocrisy, he has been trying to coast by on his former footballing career for decades. He has a string of failed businesses to his name and some dodgy property deals.
Young people move into unfurnished properties all the time, kitchen, bed and sofa would be all they need. But people are moving in together later in life now, when they have gotten more stuff, they are not moving when they get married with nothing. He likely is only talking to football players though. Why would anyone commission an article from on any type of issue unrelated to sport is beyond me. He wasn’t even good at football commentary* either.
*Edit: forgot an important word
Sure anyone who was doing the LC around the time of the Celtic Tiger crash was gonna steer clear from “Trade” jobs…college was your best option and there was not as much pressures to keep up with the Jones’…cause the Jones’ were up to their gills in hot water trying to pay for their 3 houses and Villa in Bulgaria! I look at the trade now and envy not being a carpenter or Electrician but jaysus they still work some long hours! We have one of the highest levels of 3rd Level Qualifications but the Gov unfortunately do nothing to support you after that…I’m lucky I’ve my house 6/7 years and it’s prb gone up in price by 50% but there is nothing out there to buy….if there is it prb needs another mortgage to do it up…and we’ve no trades people to do it!….so in summary Colm STFU…there I said it
Irish people will continue to fuck over their own just to get a leg up. It’s no wonder we were conquered. We still fucking are with the way some people act.
Huh. Maybe they should vote, then.
I had to leave, no fucking point staying in ireland if i wanted to live a life that was my own and not my mams
That is a disappointing take from someone who was paid to educate and work with young people for 40+ years. And should have good insight into them and their issues, instead of being judgmental.
He is an exceptional athlete who has lives a charmed lif off the back of it – and has now forgotten the hunger that got him, a poor emigre of Leitrim, to the good times in Meath. Colm transitioned from a (mediocre – only spoke to us about football) teacher to principal as a baseline salary for years with journalism topping up the account for his GAA passion. And traded on his name in business as a shopkeeper and in property transactions during all that time. So he and his family have lived high on the hog for decades now.
Stick to the football Colm, you’ve forgotten what it’s like not to have life work out like a dream for you.
I can only imagine some sort of ban on people buying up houses to turn them into airbnbs and/or not to live in would help but god forbid some landlord not get a new car
More like politicians don’t work for them.
Just spoke with someone in this situation.
They are convinced the far right is anyone that wants to regulate immigration and have brainwashed themselves into thinking supply and demand is not a factor.
Just next level stupid do gooders and it’s sad as they’re lovely people.
I’m 22 years old. I’m *young* in the sense of still living at home. I already have saved a chunk towards leaving. Where? I don’t know yet. But there is absolutely no way I could possibly stay. Especially as a Dublin native. I’m being forced to leave
This is the most tonedeaf article I’ve read in the independent since… the last time I read an article in the Independent
And yet they don’t vote to make it work better for themselves.
If people in their late teens and early 20s voted at the same rate as people in their 50s and 60s this country would turn on its head almost overnight.
Imagine politicians having to do something about housing or knowing they’d be effed out of a job in 5 years?
Young people? I’m in my fifties and been working since i was tall enough to stand on a milk crate in the 70’s to wash glasses in my local pub, Spent years learning to fix every machine i could get my hands on. And was damn good at it. Got sent to Singapore, Germany, France and the UK because of my skills. And barely made enough to ever even rent a bedroom, never mind owning my own home. and 35 years later when finally earning enough to actually make a difference? One accident in work, and i’m back to nothing. Can’t even pay the heating blll this month, This government have been fucking us over the workers long before this.
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I love Ireland, but it doesn’t love me.
>Housing is the single biggest problem of the last 50 years. Older readers of this newspaper had the prospect of buying their own house. It wasn’t easy but you decked out a couple of rooms and worked your way through it. Now houses have to be fully fitted out before anyone would move in.
…
> most young people prefer some course in college and Coppers on a Thursday night rather than getting their hands dirty on a building site.
Couldn’t resist getting the digs in there Colm
We’ve multiple generations.
But don’t vote
> Housing is the single biggest problem of the last 50 years
Not the troubles? Not the institutionalized rape of children by the Catholic Church? Not the Magdalene laundries?
Right so.
Yes Colm, It doesent work for us. It only works for people who got lucky in the years prior to the bang in 07 and the one who are now in their 40s and beyond who bought up in the 00s and early 2010’s. Anyone born in the 90s beyond is screwed. Im 32 and living the stereotypical trappings of the day.
But sure look, our great political overlords in all of their smarmy wit and wisdom know whats best for us and they’ll solve the crisis and itll all be dandy!! sure even if people vote 60% for some fo of political change, we still get the same pony show!
And also, as your rightly aluded to – part of the problem is that my generation and the generation after me is that we are “lazy” and it’s our own fault… theres a huge undercurrent of that in this article. An old man who doesent get the modern world, and doesent want to either. It has become such a nasty country in the last 10/12 years. A land of haves and have nots. Fuck ye I have mine!
When I was young and everyone was going to emigrate and there were no jobs…wait, is it still the same?
A generation of Hulk Hogans by the sound of it
I recently returned after 12 years. My main takeaway has been how difficult the transition into being an Irish resident is. Lots of bureaucracy. Everything requires a form, payment, and time. Maybe it will be different 12 months from now but right now the move back is hard.
A stop we voted for ffg again it can’t be that bad
This is not news
Colm o rourke is essentially only concerned with Colm o rourke and continues to love media attention and will do anything to get it
What a tosser
Ireland doesn’t work for young Irish people. Never has, never will.
>most young people prefer some course in college and Coppers on a Thursday night rather than getting their hands dirty on a building site.
This is true in the States as well. I don’t blame them. None can afford a home much less an apartment on the kind of pay they can get. Wages have stagnated for decades. And fewer go to college because it’s so damn expensive. This means a less educationally developed populace that then makes decisions like electing Donald Trump.
Believe or know
I think it’s greed and short sightedness isn’t it. Everyone, at every point – who could – took the piss. Politicians. Bankers. Landlords. Builders. Plenty of immigrants have taken the piss too. We’ve gone from being a complete kip in the early 80s to rolling in dough to €8 pints. Swings and roundabouts. Someone has to pay. Here we are…
My wife would have loved to get her hands dirty on a building site, but she graduated during the crash and had to leave the country. She is now back and on a building site, since that’s a thing that is happening again. Imagine that.
Isn’t o rourke a developer that lost money to NAMA
A generation of young people around the world believe their country doesn’t work for them
Nothing unique in this respect about Ireland
They should’ve gotten and voted then.
That’s because we have this obsession with owning a house by the time we’re in our 20’s and often single, It’s ridiculous.
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TBF this is the feeling across most of western Europe
This guy used to be my teacher, he taught economics and PE. I should say supposedly he never showed up PE and was there was one economics class for the year that he was always late too. I always wondered what he actually was meant to be doing, he never put effort into teaching that’s for sure. Unless you were a good footballer you were invisible to him. I found it strange he applied for the principal job as he put so little into the teaching work, but the pension certainly helped. Him calling younger generations lazy or entitled is the height of hypocrisy, he has been trying to coast by on his former footballing career for decades. He has a string of failed businesses to his name and some dodgy property deals.
Young people move into unfurnished properties all the time, kitchen, bed and sofa would be all they need. But people are moving in together later in life now, when they have gotten more stuff, they are not moving when they get married with nothing. He likely is only talking to football players though. Why would anyone commission an article from on any type of issue unrelated to sport is beyond me. He wasn’t even good at football commentary* either.
*Edit: forgot an important word
Sure anyone who was doing the LC around the time of the Celtic Tiger crash was gonna steer clear from “Trade” jobs…college was your best option and there was not as much pressures to keep up with the Jones’…cause the Jones’ were up to their gills in hot water trying to pay for their 3 houses and Villa in Bulgaria! I look at the trade now and envy not being a carpenter or Electrician but jaysus they still work some long hours! We have one of the highest levels of 3rd Level Qualifications but the Gov unfortunately do nothing to support you after that…I’m lucky I’ve my house 6/7 years and it’s prb gone up in price by 50% but there is nothing out there to buy….if there is it prb needs another mortgage to do it up…and we’ve no trades people to do it!….so in summary Colm STFU…there I said it
Irish people will continue to fuck over their own just to get a leg up. It’s no wonder we were conquered. We still fucking are with the way some people act.
Huh. Maybe they should vote, then.
I had to leave, no fucking point staying in ireland if i wanted to live a life that was my own and not my mams
That is a disappointing take from someone who was paid to educate and work with young people for 40+ years. And should have good insight into them and their issues, instead of being judgmental.
He is an exceptional athlete who has lives a charmed lif off the back of it – and has now forgotten the hunger that got him, a poor emigre of Leitrim, to the good times in Meath. Colm transitioned from a (mediocre – only spoke to us about football) teacher to principal as a baseline salary for years with journalism topping up the account for his GAA passion. And traded on his name in business as a shopkeeper and in property transactions during all that time. So he and his family have lived high on the hog for decades now.
Stick to the football Colm, you’ve forgotten what it’s like not to have life work out like a dream for you.
I can only imagine some sort of ban on people buying up houses to turn them into airbnbs and/or not to live in would help but god forbid some landlord not get a new car
More like politicians don’t work for them.
Just spoke with someone in this situation.
They are convinced the far right is anyone that wants to regulate immigration and have brainwashed themselves into thinking supply and demand is not a factor.
Just next level stupid do gooders and it’s sad as they’re lovely people.
I’m 22 years old. I’m *young* in the sense of still living at home. I already have saved a chunk towards leaving. Where? I don’t know yet. But there is absolutely no way I could possibly stay. Especially as a Dublin native. I’m being forced to leave
This is the most tonedeaf article I’ve read in the independent since… the last time I read an article in the Independent
And yet they don’t vote to make it work better for themselves.
If people in their late teens and early 20s voted at the same rate as people in their 50s and 60s this country would turn on its head almost overnight.
Imagine politicians having to do something about housing or knowing they’d be effed out of a job in 5 years?
Young people? I’m in my fifties and been working since i was tall enough to stand on a milk crate in the 70’s to wash glasses in my local pub, Spent years learning to fix every machine i could get my hands on. And was damn good at it. Got sent to Singapore, Germany, France and the UK because of my skills. And barely made enough to ever even rent a bedroom, never mind owning my own home. and 35 years later when finally earning enough to actually make a difference? One accident in work, and i’m back to nothing. Can’t even pay the heating blll this month, This government have been fucking us over the workers long before this.
Did they vote?
https://preview.redd.it/1ozq4zynqq5e1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=588c75b00da3b8b4642448c41e6293b1cad9a75a
They “vote with their feet” as they say. Or with their plane tickets to Sydney…
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