Build a few of these outside every town and city in Ireland, give them dacent public transport links and boom, housing crisis solved.
by chiggymondo
Build a few of these outside every town and city in Ireland, give them dacent public transport links and boom, housing crisis solved.
by chiggymondo
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Or, we could build high rise mixed use developments in city centre locations replacing all the empty/derelict ones that are currently in our city centres revitalising our cities and not creating transport infrastructure nightmares or future slum blocks
Queue the people who want to poke a hole in every suggestion.
Then also say you’re a useless shite because you have no solutions, just complaints.
High density (this doesn’t even look that high) doesn’t have to be Ballymun. That was fucked from the start, planners didn’t know or didn’t care about anything else a community needs.
Adamstown isn’t a bad outcome for being the first planned “New Town” in what, 50 years? It too was given nothing but grief and synicism at the start.
Is that not basically cherrywood ?
That’s pretty much what’s happening already? Examples – cherrywood, sandyford, Tallaght
This is more or less the philosophy behind a number of new towns that we’ve built or are building. Clonburris, Clongriffin, Cherrywood and Adamstown in Dublin; Carrigtwohill West and Waterrock in Cork. We’ve longer term plans for a number of other ones like Monard near Cork, or Lissenhall north of Swords.
110%. The greenfield sites around the M50, Kylemore, Ballymount, Saggart the areas leading to the airport, could all easily be developed for high rise basis apartments. Tokyo has 35 million people living in an area the size of greater Dublin with no housing crisis
But then how would people profit off the housing crisis? It’s not being fixed because they have no interest in fixing it.
Ireland is full of land, if they let modular homes be built on private land this crisis would be over within 6 months. Instead, they have the council fluting around with drones to checking rural private land to make sure people haven’t built homes for themselves.
That’s the job.
I don’t think lack of ideas is the reason the housing crisis persists. We also have the money. It’s about the obstacles in getting even the simplest of things approved. No one wants to compromise their heaven.
This can’t be done overnight lad
Ideally fast tram systems between them and the city, or trains, the solution is always more trains.
Coukdnt agree more
The CSO recorded plenty of empty homes, many empty for a significant amount of time.
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cpp2/censusofpopulation2022profile2-housinginireland/vacantdwellings/
Plus, covid proved that huge numbers of people do not need to physically attend work. Lots of office workers can feasibly work from all over the country from home, reducing the need for office space near cities (one of the reasons given for why these homes aren’t suitable) as well as excessive commutes every day. The benefits to the work / life balance of people would overall improve the health and well being of the population. Maybe even saving the HSE money to spend elsewhere.
If there is less need for the long commutes, people can spread out over a wider part of the country, bringing businesses and facilities to small towns that are currently lacking due to low demand.
But instead, businesses forced a load of people back into the office, presumably to justify the cost of that office space.
Cities are becoming all office blocks and hotels. There are folks who physically need to attend work, surely they should be prioritised to live nearby?
I dunno, they’ve been going on about decentralising as long as I remember, we have the means to do so, why the hell aren’t we using them?
My God, you’re a genius
Maybe not outside my town, definitely the others though
Our current planning set up allows for developments like these to be held up for years, unfortunately.
Implement the transport early in the building process, make sure that transport runs 24hrs and has the capacity needed, make sure that all the other infrastructure like child care, medical, social, shopping etc are put in early and scales with the population. All that done and I’m totally on board.
It would start up as “We are going to build 10,000 affordable apartments” and within a year it would be “1,000 luxury flats” – whoops we forgot about the poor.
We need to build, and build at speed, and frankly the situation is so severe that some of other wants/desires when it comes to housing may have to be forgone. That said I think we can do better than the sort of eastern block blocks depicted above. We should consider what Barcelona did over a century ago, with its enormous expansion of the city Exiample. Picture below:
https://preview.redd.it/rwya0t13716e1.png?width=2362&format=png&auto=webp&s=da66b419846dbf7218d60692c737be0e4bb04e39
From above this may seem quite dense and rigidly gridy, but anyone who has ever been there knows what a wonderful part of the city is, and some of the most desirable as well. It would be very connectable to public transport, with out huge outlay, very quickly in the forms of busses. We should use model plans and make the buildings as repeatable (though with character) as possible to ensure we can get it done as hastily as possible. The choice doesn’t have to be between endless single family homes eating up more and more of the countryside, or bleak towers isolated on the outskirts of motorways. There is an alternative.
For these to be successful they need to come with:
– decent size / underground parking
– a primary care centre
– a sports centre
– shops
– a creche
– primary and secondary schools
– FUNCTIONAL POLICING (can’t stress this enough)
– transport links
Combine all of above and then you get a shot at it.
Irish are too opinionated of themselves to live in these. Oh where did I get this idea from?
I live in a what is considered “luxury” (by Irish Standards) apartment complex managed by a multinational property company. The biggest in Ireland, they look after tenants relatively well and everything is by the book and expensive as fcuk. (of course!)
90%+ occupied by immigrants, expats, foreigners (even asylum seekers I think, yes money is sweet). Occasionally you come across odd Irish family or couple and it is always the same scenario.
Either they are getting their place renovated, in the process of buying or just came back to country and this is a short term landing solution.
Whenever our paths cross in the playground, in front of the day care or one of the events management provides and have little chat, you immediately get that sense of almost shame that they are in this situation! They definitely mention and emphasize “this is temporary”! The yearning for the gardened “house” is apparent and it MUST happen!
They just can’t see themselves living in an apartment, regardless of how well connected or serviced it is. It’s something to be ashamed of and of course it is something for “foreigners” and “doll collectors”.
Fascinating how much skewed their priorities are and how detached they are from the rest of the world in terms of city planning and housing.
But my skyline….
Come on, everybody knows that the majority of Irish people are too good for apartments, and those would be too far from the city anyway so it wouldn’t work.
These people need 3 bed semi detached houses all in the middle of the city, because who can raise a family in an apartment, it’s not like that’s a thing everywhere else in the world.
I think this video covers it a bit better. And suggests a much better looking and functional multi use development https://youtu.be/xCceYE63aos?si=-yp-dAn5AZaShGlO
Rathborne in Dublin 15 is close to fitting the design idea. Just need many more of these along the train lines.
I wish I could live in a cave. Living on a boat was evidently too expensive
But what about all the people benefiting from the housing crisis?
Wont somebody please think of the poor landlords.
OP just invented Milton Keynes.
It’s so depressing how backward Ireland is when it comes to apartments, which normal, nice places to live the world over.
Yes! It’s not that hard, build more apartments and maybe I’ll return to Ireland 😂 problem is any development will take 20 years and cost 100 billion more than it was supposed to
These are being built constantly here in Moscow and its suburbs. It doesn’t help, prices remain skyrocketing.
Is that Petrzalka in Bratislava??
You’re missing the giant Dealz and a Maxol filling station.
Add security and keep them well maintained…i lived in Hong Kong for years, the apartments there are well built, maintained and secure.
A big problem I’ve found is it’s very hard to change Irish people’s public perception of things once it’s gotten settled (even more so than other people), especially when it comes to apartments – once something is shite once, it’s shite forever in a lot of people’s minds.
Celtic tiger era apartments are a big offender of this, damp magnets with about as much soundproofing as a makeshift glory hole with “stylish” (for the time) surface level fittings that are now in bits. That’s what people tend to think of when they hear “apartment”, although more modern and well built ones are far from that in my experience. Either that or gobshites talking about soviet era apartment blocks.
Not really sure how you shift the perception on that though, outside of making them available at affordable prices for young people (ended up just moving out of dublin and buying a house for significantly cheaper myself a couple years back because a good apartment was not only super expensive but also not new so I couldn’t use the HTB scheme against it meaning a non starter entirely) who haven’t been touched as deeply by the misery gene yet so they can start changing that perception.
Build and centre them around already existing rail infrastructure too, have the areas around train/tram/bus stops be markets/hubs for activity and have the homes nearby so people have somewhere to easily access the public transport and allow for local shops/pubs/cafes to support the local area too. This scales better with bicycle investment too so we minimize the necessity of cars and it lowers congestion for drivers who need/prefer driving.
As a french (Franco Irish) person:
NO
NO
NO
NO
You end up with “cités” which are a foyer of delinquence, marginalisation and societal problems that will pop in 39 years times.
Ireland NEEDS more housing, but done intelligently. You well full urban sprawl (cd south Dublin where my grandma lives),do NOT go into the opposite extreme. You need the “missing middle” housing, commerce, shops and activity. You need ACTUAL town squares, communal areas and a living city. Many Irish cities are dead car dependant holes, making a fuckton of “towers” without thinking does NOT solve this issue
4 or 5 story apartments with shops on the ground floor and a nearby park is an awesome way to live (source: have lived in several). Ireland’s sprawls are not conducive to local shops but instead lead to massive shopping malls and supermarkets that you have to drive to – small walk-to-able shops just can’t get enough catchment from a sprawl of houses.
I gather the problem in Ireland is the regulations on apartment builds are so onerous that they’re simply not cost-effective.
Generally the Irish arent fond of high density living, but medium density (4-5 storeys) could work well. Given the current pressure on schools, each group of these would need an Aldi, preschool, primary school, GP practice, and good fuckin luck getting that past all the NIMBYS. Reforming the planning system will be the biggest leg up in solving the housing crisis.
Every small town could comfortably house young people from the surrounding countryside if they converted the upper floors of buildings along the main street into apartments or maisonettes. More bodies in the town centre at night helps business, more eyes on the streets keep divilment down, and all that needs to be done is renovate what’s there and build new services as demand grows. Not to mention conserving town centres, architectural heritage yada yada!
I’ve been in these apartments in Siberia when I visited before the war. They’re warm, cozy and most of the over 30s I met there owned their own place. The ones that didn’t weren’t paying anything close to the percent of their income that we pay for rent.
People call the kruschevkas/commieblocks depressing but they’re a lot less depressing than any of the mouldy rentals I’ve had in Ireland for the last 20 years.
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