Why can’t the French goes through the legal mechanisms?
If he was there illegally, then that is perfectly fine. However, as he puts here
> Andrew Brown, director of Macduff Shellfish which owns the detained vessel, told Sky News the boat was being used as a “pawn in an ongoing dispute” between the two countries.
He said: “On 27 October, Macduff’s scallop vessel Cornelis was boarded by the French authorities and ordered into the French port of Le Harve while legally fishing for scallop in French waters.
> “Access to French waters for the UK scallop fleet is provided under Brexit Fisheries Agreement. Macduff’s fishing activity is entirely legal.
“It appears our vessel is another pawn in the ongoing dispute between the UK and France on the implementation of the Brexit Fishing Agreement.
That would mean the French are illegally capturing UK vessels. If that is the case, then the UK should use the correct channels and take the EU to the arbitration panel and then apply sanctions to Irish & german goods.
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Honestly find it amazing after 1000 years we still haven’t figured out how to get along.
Can’t wait to see Britains response. Last time it was to snub them of a multi Billion dollar submarine deal. They’ll find a way to publicly embarrass France for the dumb games they’re playing
>and suggested it had the right to fish in French waters and may have been missed off an approved list by mistake.
The BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59073715 uses slightly different wording:
>Responding to an Urgent Commons Question from the SNP, George Eustice said the boat was on a list provided by the Marine Management Organisation (MMO) initially provided to the European Union.
He insisted the European Union did grant a licence to the vessel but it was “unclear” why, according to reports, it was subsequently withdrawn from the list.
“Providing to” (the EU) is not the same as “receiving back”, and as that other vessel (after a hiccup) could continue it would seem that that vessel did have a license (on board to show the inspector).
Le Royaume Uni pourrait déployer l’armée contre le France… si elle n’était pas occupée à ravitailler de l’essence cela dit
I know I’ll get downvoted to hell for this, but the small mindedness of France for doing this is illustrated by a related food and drink numbers issue. Having a food and drinks row with the UK is a poor idea for them. The amount the UK spends each year on French wine (well over a billion euros), let alone foodstuffs and other drinks is worth way more than the total earned by the British fishing industry each year (hundreds of millions divided by sales at home, to Ireland France and Spain mainly). A UK boycott on French drinks would decimate the French wine industry, and the reality is that Europe and the New World would love to fill the vacuum created in the market with their wines. It appears to me that France has picked a small and low value hill to fight on.
Really if the UK being in the EU was the only thing stopping the French from doing all the things that they’re now doing, that just reaffirms that Brexit was the right decision. What sane person would want to form a union with people who actively mean them harm?
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Hang on, everyone’s meant to be playing by *our* rules. Didn’t they read the bus?
If the trawler was fishing illegally then fair enough… But it’s definitely suspicious timing, given France’s recent threats of various retaliations
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So erm
About those mechanisms for solving disputes that we all agreed to…
edit: some light reading for **both** Paris and Westminster
[ANNEX 48 – RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR DISPUTE SETTLEMENT](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982648/TS_8.2021_UK_EU_EAEC_Trade_and_Cooperation_Agreement.pdf)
[PART SIX: DISPUTE SETTLEMENT AND HORIZONTAL PROVISIONS](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948119/EU-UK_Trade_and_Cooperation_Agreement_24.12.2020.pdf)
Is this how the Hundred Years’ War began?
Why can’t the French goes through the legal mechanisms?
If he was there illegally, then that is perfectly fine. However, as he puts here
> Andrew Brown, director of Macduff Shellfish which owns the detained vessel, told Sky News the boat was being used as a “pawn in an ongoing dispute” between the two countries.
He said: “On 27 October, Macduff’s scallop vessel Cornelis was boarded by the French authorities and ordered into the French port of Le Harve while legally fishing for scallop in French waters.
> “Access to French waters for the UK scallop fleet is provided under Brexit Fisheries Agreement. Macduff’s fishing activity is entirely legal.
“It appears our vessel is another pawn in the ongoing dispute between the UK and France on the implementation of the Brexit Fishing Agreement.
That would mean the French are illegally capturing UK vessels. If that is the case, then the UK should use the correct channels and take the EU to the arbitration panel and then apply sanctions to Irish & german goods.
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Honestly find it amazing after 1000 years we still haven’t figured out how to get along.
Can’t wait to see Britains response. Last time it was to snub them of a multi Billion dollar submarine deal. They’ll find a way to publicly embarrass France for the dumb games they’re playing
>and suggested it had the right to fish in French waters and may have been missed off an approved list by mistake.
The BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59073715 uses slightly different wording:
>Responding to an Urgent Commons Question from the SNP, George Eustice said the boat was on a list provided by the Marine Management Organisation (MMO) initially provided to the European Union.
He insisted the European Union did grant a licence to the vessel but it was “unclear” why, according to reports, it was subsequently withdrawn from the list.
“Providing to” (the EU) is not the same as “receiving back”, and as that other vessel (after a hiccup) could continue it would seem that that vessel did have a license (on board to show the inspector).
Le Royaume Uni pourrait déployer l’armée contre le France… si elle n’était pas occupée à ravitailler de l’essence cela dit
I know I’ll get downvoted to hell for this, but the small mindedness of France for doing this is illustrated by a related food and drink numbers issue. Having a food and drinks row with the UK is a poor idea for them. The amount the UK spends each year on French wine (well over a billion euros), let alone foodstuffs and other drinks is worth way more than the total earned by the British fishing industry each year (hundreds of millions divided by sales at home, to Ireland France and Spain mainly). A UK boycott on French drinks would decimate the French wine industry, and the reality is that Europe and the New World would love to fill the vacuum created in the market with their wines. It appears to me that France has picked a small and low value hill to fight on.
Really if the UK being in the EU was the only thing stopping the French from doing all the things that they’re now doing, that just reaffirms that Brexit was the right decision. What sane person would want to form a union with people who actively mean them harm?