Since 2000, homicide rates have dropped sharply in Europe but barely changed in the United States

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by Skittels0

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  1. Now do EU. Could be a lot of things with completely different situations. Or say North America.

  2. Do these numbers include Russia? Most western european countries are around 1.

    I suspect most of the decrease in Europe is Eastern Europe becoming wealthier and more stable excluding the Ukraine situation.

  3. I think not having 1.2 guns per capita might have something to do with it.

    EDIT: People mention Switzerland, but majority of guns there are owned by conscripts or former soldiers who are required to keep their service rifles for national defense but under strict conditions.

    EDIT 2: Also, the gun ownership rate in Suisse is 0.28 per capita.

  6. FYI this includes former soviet union countries.

    in western Europe (Germany, Italy, Spain, UK, France, etc) it’s close to or below 1/100k

  7. While true, this needs context. Violent crime in the US is way down in the past 50 years, and until the COVID spike it was the lowest I had been since the 60s

    It has resumed it decline in recent years, but it’s too early to tell if it’s a resumption of a trend. It’s actually a huge success story for a country as ethnically diverse with as many guns as it has that we were coming within 1.5 per 100k as smaller, more homogenous less firearms ownership European countries.

  8. Most of those in Europe were me though.

    I’ve stoped now so it’s gonna be lower.

  9. I’m a gun owner in America. I carry one every day. I still believe that a majority of gun owners are fucking dumbasses and should not be able to own one.

    We see it over and over and over again. Some idiot will get cut off in traffic, pullover, get his gun out and kill somebody over a minor inconvenience. We are a violent people.

  10. “Should I bring my Rolex to Paris?”

    In any American forum

  11. The holy 2nd amendment that’s more important than life itself.

  12. Wait, so more imigrants did not increase homicide rates overall? Wow, the right will surely apologise now and dont push this narrative amymore.

  13. “Guns don’t kill people, death kills people, ask your Doctor it’s a medical fact” (c) Some random dude

  14. So you either have low homicide rate or GDP growth. Guys, you know what to do…

  15. Simple: A strong social state prevents crime. Europe has been dominated by social democratic ideas not even the neoliberals have managed destroy until now (though they’re working hard on it), and those ideas have led to a better distribution of wealth. It’s also helpful to have structures to quickly integrate immigrants rather than exploit them as illegal workers or leave them to themselves entirely. If everyone has something to lose, organized crime has much lower influence and there are much fewer crimes out of desperation. Unfortunately, with the rise of the far-right in an unholy alliance with libertarian predatory capitalism, this will likely change soon.

  17. Wait, so Europe had higher homicide rates than the US before 2006?

  19. I’m curious, since people talk about gun control being effective:

    The Czech have probably the least strict gun control laws in the EU, and lower homicide rate than western EU countries. So then it would be okay to relax gun control to at least the Czech level, right?

    >Czech firearms legislation also permits citizens to carry concealed weapons for self-defense; 260,027 out of 316,859 gun license holders have a concealed carry license (31 December 2023).

    Just a bunch of people going around the street with guns. But for some reason we need stricter gun control than this, even though most EU countries have worse homicide rates.

  21. That’s ‘cause we’re a “civilized” industrial State. . . . .. /s

  23. Why is everything always compared to the US? The US isn’t a European country. If anything, it’s moving away from Europe.

  24. almost like you can kill people faster and more efficiënt over there? hmmm, nah probably the deep state or whatever they’re pushing now

  26. An aging population will also no doubt contribute to the European numbers.

  27. Much of Europe is aging quickly and younger people do most of the killing. Average age in EU (EU does not equal Europe) is almost 45, which is maybe 6 or 7 years older than the USA. this may not explain all of it, but it is sure to be a factor.

  30. I cannot believe that Europe used to have bigger homicide rates than USA. I’m astonished

  31. I wouldn’t expect a decrease where you can simply shoot someone in the face and walk it out claiming you were intimidated. They’d just need to be armed themselves and guess what, they probably are.

  32. But. But. But. Immigrants… I thought we were making everything so much worse. Do you mean the numbers don’t support the bigotry? Suprise Pikachu!

  33. the global alien/satanic cabal trying to ruin europe by replacing white people with tucker carlson-hating muslims is obviously rather inept as it seems that sustained immigration has not, as they have “predicted”, caused a runaway crime wave

    who knew

  35. Anti-gun people always play games like this. Do the European numbers include Ukraine and Russia?

  36. These are bogus numbers. They included Russia to try and make USA look better.

    As you can see for example here (data from 2016):

    [https://x.com/maxcroser/status/772373023013961728?lang=bg](https://x.com/maxcroser/status/772373023013961728?lang=bg)

    – basically no EU country has rates anywhere close to what is claimed here. No need for infighting between old and new EU countries in the commentary.

  37. Anyone who actually travel notice that Europe isn’t that unsafe. The worst that could happen is someone stealing your wallet on the train.

    in the US, the worst that could happen to you is getting murdered.

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