Of course it will. Such a short-sighted decision. Typical of transport planning in this country, it will be overcapacity as soon as it opens.
Only 10 trains an hour in what is supposed to be a progressive and innovative addition to our transport infrastructure is shocking.
This’ll be held up as an example for why rail investment doesn’t work for the rest of our lives, despite it having failed due to being kneecapped at every opportunity.
How dumb and short-sighted.
Phase 1. HS2 Euston Phase 1
Get phase 2 built
Shame but not unexpected.
That said, if we could actually run the railways competently we could achieve high frequency with only 6 platforms. The Tokaido Shinkansen only has 6 platforms at Tokyo, and operates as many as 17tph at peak times. But having more platforms provides redundancy and allows for delayed trains to have somewhere to go. If everything runs like clockwork (like in Japan), then more platforms aren’t actually needed.
The Shinkansen does have the advantage of being a fully separate system tho, which does make it more resilient, HS2 trains will be feeding onto our conventional lines which means that delays on those will cascade into HS2.
I suppose the workaround is to just terminate late running trans at Old Oak Common if a platform isn’t available at Euston, some of the passengers would be getting off there anyway, and those wanting to go to Euston would just have to stand for the short journey on the next train coming through. It’s not ideal and having more platforms at Euston for redundancy is the ideal solution, but it would still allow a higher frequency.
That cant be the actual design for the station? It looks like an 80’s shopping centre
i reckon this means many trains will terminate at old oak due to lack of platforms, sidings and capacity at euston. what a farce.
Capacity for 10 tph seems more than adequate. The station design however, is abysmal. Would love some new public infrastructure to be built with a sense of civic pride.
I am actually not sure this is as bad as people make this out to be. From what I understand, the UK government wants to bring forward HS2 terminating in Euston to avoid the old oak common farce so that trains terminate in Euston around the same time as it opens to the public. Completing an initial batch of 6 platforms will help do that more quickly. It in turn avoids the Old Oak Common swamping of the Elizabeth line in a way that would be dangerous.
If they can run 10 trains per hour, or one every 6 minutes to Birmingham, the capacity will be pretty impressive. One every 6 minutes is better than even some Elizabeth line termini – the UK does not have a service like this between major cities at present. I don’t really see the big issue here actually? Apparently there are currently approximately 6-8 trains per hour to Birmingham, not all of these trains are as big as HS2 and many are not as quick – the capacity increase will be enormous.
Shortsighted, just as we’ve come to expect with any major infrastructure project in this country – regardless of political party in government.
I personally can’t see infrastructure planning and execution ever getting better here until we have long-term national frameworks dictating decisions rather than short-term politics.
Are we going to even need 6 trains/hr just to go between London and Birmingham?
pathetic
This would only make sense if they built the HS1/HS2 link in London in order to allow International services direct to Birmingham and beyond. Those services could stop at Stratford International on the way through, making use of that ghost station and potentially reducing congestion at St Pancras International.
But that would require the decision makes to have actual foresight.
The UK is so appallingly bad at building infrastructure. We also need to add a minimum of 5 years delay onto that target completion date, no large project in the past decade hasn’t suffered a several year build delay!
Lame but as long as they preserve space to add more platforms later on?
What a disaster. It would’ve been better to cancel the station, hold on to the land at Euston and then revive plans once HS2 opens and everyone realises what an asset HS2 is/will be and how terrible Old Oak Common is as a terminus
That website gave me cancer.
Penny-wise pound-foolish.
The way the UK treats rail makes me so incredibly frustrated. Instead of spending the money to solve the problem, they spend just enough to kick the problem down the road, which will only make it cost significantly more once it reaches breaking point.
And next year it’ll be increased back to 10, then the next after more consultation it’ll be reduced back to 6, then the tories will be back in power and it’ll be put on hold leaving the tunnels undeveloped, then after more consultation it’ll be reinstated with 6 platforms again. Rinse and repeat until the heat death of the universe.
Is there an article that doesn’t have 6 billion ads pop up?
Any new station in any ramdon city in china has at least 20 tracks.
i thought they weren’t even going to euston? is that happening again?
Cause of Euston problems atm : platforms announced late due to lack of platforms
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Of course it will. Such a short-sighted decision. Typical of transport planning in this country, it will be overcapacity as soon as it opens.
Only 10 trains an hour in what is supposed to be a progressive and innovative addition to our transport infrastructure is shocking.
This’ll be held up as an example for why rail investment doesn’t work for the rest of our lives, despite it having failed due to being kneecapped at every opportunity.
How dumb and short-sighted.
Phase 1. HS2 Euston Phase 1
Get phase 2 built
Shame but not unexpected.
That said, if we could actually run the railways competently we could achieve high frequency with only 6 platforms. The Tokaido Shinkansen only has 6 platforms at Tokyo, and operates as many as 17tph at peak times. But having more platforms provides redundancy and allows for delayed trains to have somewhere to go. If everything runs like clockwork (like in Japan), then more platforms aren’t actually needed.
The Shinkansen does have the advantage of being a fully separate system tho, which does make it more resilient, HS2 trains will be feeding onto our conventional lines which means that delays on those will cascade into HS2.
I suppose the workaround is to just terminate late running trans at Old Oak Common if a platform isn’t available at Euston, some of the passengers would be getting off there anyway, and those wanting to go to Euston would just have to stand for the short journey on the next train coming through. It’s not ideal and having more platforms at Euston for redundancy is the ideal solution, but it would still allow a higher frequency.
That cant be the actual design for the station? It looks like an 80’s shopping centre
i reckon this means many trains will terminate at old oak due to lack of platforms, sidings and capacity at euston. what a farce.
Capacity for 10 tph seems more than adequate. The station design however, is abysmal. Would love some new public infrastructure to be built with a sense of civic pride.
Alternate link with an explanation: [https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/euston-stations-uncertain-future-six-hs2-platforms-or-more-77857/](https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/euston-stations-uncertain-future-six-hs2-platforms-or-more-77857/)
I am actually not sure this is as bad as people make this out to be. From what I understand, the UK government wants to bring forward HS2 terminating in Euston to avoid the old oak common farce so that trains terminate in Euston around the same time as it opens to the public. Completing an initial batch of 6 platforms will help do that more quickly. It in turn avoids the Old Oak Common swamping of the Elizabeth line in a way that would be dangerous.
If they can run 10 trains per hour, or one every 6 minutes to Birmingham, the capacity will be pretty impressive. One every 6 minutes is better than even some Elizabeth line termini – the UK does not have a service like this between major cities at present. I don’t really see the big issue here actually? Apparently there are currently approximately 6-8 trains per hour to Birmingham, not all of these trains are as big as HS2 and many are not as quick – the capacity increase will be enormous.
Shortsighted, just as we’ve come to expect with any major infrastructure project in this country – regardless of political party in government.
I personally can’t see infrastructure planning and execution ever getting better here until we have long-term national frameworks dictating decisions rather than short-term politics.
Are we going to even need 6 trains/hr just to go between London and Birmingham?
pathetic
This would only make sense if they built the HS1/HS2 link in London in order to allow International services direct to Birmingham and beyond. Those services could stop at Stratford International on the way through, making use of that ghost station and potentially reducing congestion at St Pancras International.
But that would require the decision makes to have actual foresight.
The UK is so appallingly bad at building infrastructure. We also need to add a minimum of 5 years delay onto that target completion date, no large project in the past decade hasn’t suffered a several year build delay!
Lame but as long as they preserve space to add more platforms later on?
What a disaster. It would’ve been better to cancel the station, hold on to the land at Euston and then revive plans once HS2 opens and everyone realises what an asset HS2 is/will be and how terrible Old Oak Common is as a terminus
That website gave me cancer.
Penny-wise pound-foolish.
The way the UK treats rail makes me so incredibly frustrated. Instead of spending the money to solve the problem, they spend just enough to kick the problem down the road, which will only make it cost significantly more once it reaches breaking point.
And next year it’ll be increased back to 10, then the next after more consultation it’ll be reduced back to 6, then the tories will be back in power and it’ll be put on hold leaving the tunnels undeveloped, then after more consultation it’ll be reinstated with 6 platforms again. Rinse and repeat until the heat death of the universe.
Is there an article that doesn’t have 6 billion ads pop up?
Any new station in any ramdon city in china has at least 20 tracks.
i thought they weren’t even going to euston? is that happening again?
Cause of Euston problems atm : platforms announced late due to lack of platforms
Response: build not enough platforms
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