Bulgaria’s nearly at 50% uncomfortable, not surprising but damn.
Yet the UK is called transphobic all over Reddit.
Well I was planning on moving to NL or IE so that works out. And no you’re not safe if you’re cis. One great thing about these social media algorithms causing the rise of fascism is that we’ve learned transphobia is a gateway bigotry to all the other kinds and relatively quickly to cryptofascism then nazism itself.
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Interesting, that they chose to arrange it by the prevalence of “totally comfortable” and not by “totally uncomfortable”.
*grabs popcorn*
Poland is surprisingly high in this list
I feel it’s still like hidden intolerance though. You’ll get more than plenty of weird looks and gossip. Just not people saying it to your face here.
So it turns out “terf island” isn’t a particularly accurate nickname.
Interesting. I would answer Total “Comfortable”. Why would an individual make you uncomfortable? But I also think a lot of what’s going on around transgender rights now is total propaganda and ultimately damaging for vulnerable people and our societies. Yet I am totally for the rights of individuals to feel safe and secure in their persons, including if they are outwardly trans, obviously.
I really don’t understand how that can make one feel uncomfortable. Might be different if my wife became trans or something. But, a co-worker? Good for them…
I don’t understand the difference between answering “indifferent” and “comfortable” here.
If you treat transgender people fully equally, shouldn’t you be indifferent to them, i.e. treat them like everybody else? So you’d be as “comfortable” as with any other coworker.
Cyprus is an interesting case. The closest cultural comparison from the surveyed countries is of course with Greece, and the difference is striking. I don’t think that Cyprus is more progressive than Greece on those issues. I think it’s rather because in Cyprus we are still not in the stage of political discourse where trans issues and gay issues start to be discussed as distinct.
I read a lot of opinion polls on the issue from Cyprus, and there’s a very common sentiment that people express: “I have nothing against people who are born homosexual, it’s those who become later that I have a problem with”.
To the best of my knowledge, in those people’s perception “someone born homosexual” = “a trans person” (or more generally, a gender nonconforming person, but those differences aren’t widely known or recognised in Cyprus). And people at large are sympathetic to “fixing an error of nature”, “freeing a person trapped in the wrong body”, “μάνα μου τους, εν κρίμαν” etc narratives – not accepting, but sympathetic, they conceptualise it in ways similar to having a chronic illness. Those are pity-based narratives that trans people elsewhere will probably find problematic (and they are problematic – and the reason I was in bad terms with most mainstream LGBT activists in Cyprus, I don’t do “pity”), but this was always a stage in LGBT acceptance – the US and Europe did that in the 60s and 70s and Cyprus is doing it in the new 10s and 20s.
To tie it back: Greece is out of that stage. LGBT activist there has more self-confidence and doesn’t rely on pity-narratives any more. Gay and trans identities are distinct, and they are even discussing non-binary identities. I think that in a qualitative analysis, we would see signs of this difference in perception which means that the pity/sympathy lens is gone and now they are just seen as “wrong”. (Edit: One way to see if my hypothesis is on the right track, is to find comparable surveys from Greece from the early 2000s and the 1990s and see if trans acceptance was higher back then).
From the presence of the UK in the figures, I’m guessing this was from a few years ago.
What does “spontaneous” mean here? Does it mean that the option was not listed, but some people answered it anyway, or something else? If that’s the case, some people might not realise they had the option and those answers are therefore underrepresented.
I don’t think it is the right question to ask. Ask them if they would accept their son if he came out as transgender and watch the peer pressure fade quickly.
Based Bulgaria
I was expecting the UK and Ireland to be slightly lower on this list, the UK because of all the hate crimes that hit the news last year and Ireland for the deeply rooted religious communities. Good on them, I suppose!
With yesterday’s downvoting of the anti-homophobic violence bill DDL ZAN in Italy, I think that Italy should be near Hungary on the list.
It might be a beautiful country but it is full of violent bigots, fascists and homophobes (example, in some cities they spit at you if you are gay).
Outside sexual activities (I know, I am old-fashioned), I don’t care about a person’s dick, only whether the person is or isn’t a dick.
most people don’t even know any
I don’t believe that 92%. Would expect it to be around 70% with 10% saying they don’t know.
Better than I would’ve guessed
Im with the Finns on this: 11% Indiffent.
Why should it be my business if my Coworker is this way? As long as hes not annoying and behaves normal i dont fucking care!
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Source: https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/default/files/ebs_493_data_fact_lgbti_eu_en-1.pdf
Bulgaria’s nearly at 50% uncomfortable, not surprising but damn.
Yet the UK is called transphobic all over Reddit.
Well I was planning on moving to NL or IE so that works out. And no you’re not safe if you’re cis. One great thing about these social media algorithms causing the rise of fascism is that we’ve learned transphobia is a gateway bigotry to all the other kinds and relatively quickly to cryptofascism then nazism itself.
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Interesting, that they chose to arrange it by the prevalence of “totally comfortable” and not by “totally uncomfortable”.
*grabs popcorn*
Poland is surprisingly high in this list
I feel it’s still like hidden intolerance though. You’ll get more than plenty of weird looks and gossip. Just not people saying it to your face here.
So it turns out “terf island” isn’t a particularly accurate nickname.
Interesting. I would answer Total “Comfortable”. Why would an individual make you uncomfortable? But I also think a lot of what’s going on around transgender rights now is total propaganda and ultimately damaging for vulnerable people and our societies. Yet I am totally for the rights of individuals to feel safe and secure in their persons, including if they are outwardly trans, obviously.
I really don’t understand how that can make one feel uncomfortable. Might be different if my wife became trans or something. But, a co-worker? Good for them…
I don’t understand the difference between answering “indifferent” and “comfortable” here.
If you treat transgender people fully equally, shouldn’t you be indifferent to them, i.e. treat them like everybody else? So you’d be as “comfortable” as with any other coworker.
Cyprus is an interesting case. The closest cultural comparison from the surveyed countries is of course with Greece, and the difference is striking. I don’t think that Cyprus is more progressive than Greece on those issues. I think it’s rather because in Cyprus we are still not in the stage of political discourse where trans issues and gay issues start to be discussed as distinct.
I read a lot of opinion polls on the issue from Cyprus, and there’s a very common sentiment that people express: “I have nothing against people who are born homosexual, it’s those who become later that I have a problem with”.
To the best of my knowledge, in those people’s perception “someone born homosexual” = “a trans person” (or more generally, a gender nonconforming person, but those differences aren’t widely known or recognised in Cyprus). And people at large are sympathetic to “fixing an error of nature”, “freeing a person trapped in the wrong body”, “μάνα μου τους, εν κρίμαν” etc narratives – not accepting, but sympathetic, they conceptualise it in ways similar to having a chronic illness. Those are pity-based narratives that trans people elsewhere will probably find problematic (and they are problematic – and the reason I was in bad terms with most mainstream LGBT activists in Cyprus, I don’t do “pity”), but this was always a stage in LGBT acceptance – the US and Europe did that in the 60s and 70s and Cyprus is doing it in the new 10s and 20s.
To tie it back: Greece is out of that stage. LGBT activist there has more self-confidence and doesn’t rely on pity-narratives any more. Gay and trans identities are distinct, and they are even discussing non-binary identities. I think that in a qualitative analysis, we would see signs of this difference in perception which means that the pity/sympathy lens is gone and now they are just seen as “wrong”. (Edit: One way to see if my hypothesis is on the right track, is to find comparable surveys from Greece from the early 2000s and the 1990s and see if trans acceptance was higher back then).
From the presence of the UK in the figures, I’m guessing this was from a few years ago.
What does “spontaneous” mean here? Does it mean that the option was not listed, but some people answered it anyway, or something else? If that’s the case, some people might not realise they had the option and those answers are therefore underrepresented.
I don’t think it is the right question to ask. Ask them if they would accept their son if he came out as transgender and watch the peer pressure fade quickly.
Based Bulgaria
I was expecting the UK and Ireland to be slightly lower on this list, the UK because of all the hate crimes that hit the news last year and Ireland for the deeply rooted religious communities. Good on them, I suppose!
With yesterday’s downvoting of the anti-homophobic violence bill DDL ZAN in Italy, I think that Italy should be near Hungary on the list.
It might be a beautiful country but it is full of violent bigots, fascists and homophobes (example, in some cities they spit at you if you are gay).
Outside sexual activities (I know, I am old-fashioned), I don’t care about a person’s dick, only whether the person is or isn’t a dick.
most people don’t even know any
I don’t believe that 92%. Would expect it to be around 70% with 10% saying they don’t know.
Better than I would’ve guessed
Im with the Finns on this: 11% Indiffent.
Why should it be my business if my Coworker is this way? As long as hes not annoying and behaves normal i dont fucking care!