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What is Elon’s plan this morning?
Man I’m going to miss Biden.
I can’t believe MAGA has blown this up a week before Christmas with no perceivable political gain (that I can see)all because Musk and Trump said so.
At this point, I await & root for the comet
They have concepts of a plan guys don’t worry..
They’re doing General Speeches now, limited to 1 minute each.
The vote is supposed to start at 10 a.m. Eastern, or in about 50 minutes.
Trump is tweeting out “if this happens it should be under Biden cuz the problem i made is his to fix and I don’t want blame for it!”
I’m paraphrasing but glad to see the dementia don is still an ass
Nothing like a gongshow before Christmas by blowing up a bipartisan bill…
I did not think the leopards were going to start feasting before the inauguration lol. Let Americans have what they voted for; shut er down lol. Delicious.
Republicans can’t govern.
They also don’t want to when they have to.
But they can’t.
Remember, if the government is shutdown for more than 15 minutes, you’re legally allowed to do crime.
Are we really ready for 4 more years of this fucking chaos?
Can anyone informed:
This bill is a simple majority vote, correct?
So since the Rs hold the house with a majority, it’s 100% on them if the shutdown happens, yeah?
It is possible to be sad and angry about the shutdown, and how it’s going to hurt so many people, and at the same time get a kick out of watching trump and Mini Me fuque up this badly before he even gets into office. It was, though, pretty inevitable and a sure sign of things to come.
I’m admittedly confused – can some one break this down Barney style?
GOP makes a bill (CR) that includes debt ceiling increase, at request of Trump. Includes other funding measures, like farmers and disaster relief. Gains bipartisan support. Musk goes on twitter tirade against bill.(why?) Republicans pull out of deal. Now Trump didn’t like deal either? Now they need new bill or we go into government shutdown?
Am I missing something, everything? Make it make sense please.
As a Fed Employee, I’m not really looking forward to this game for the next 4 years. I don’t want a “paid vacation” as some call it, I just want to continue doing the job I’m paid to do and help people.
With that said, I hope they stick it to President- Elect Musk.
Trump is calling for a shutdown so he can stop Congress from giving themselves raises and save the federal workers paychecks and the government come January when he is sworn in. Social media and the right wing media sphere is already saying this shutdown is Biden’s issue since he is president. This is why Democrats can’t win. They let Trump and his circle write the narrative and define Democrats own policies and intentions and the Democrats do absolutely nothing to fight back.
Trump needs that debt ceiling gone so he can cut taxes and wave his hands around about “maybe someday” about cutting any of musk’s “efficiency” suggestions, spend everything he can to enrich himself, and do nothing that might require effort to reign in spending for however long he stays in office.
My memory is long enough to remember that we play this game every year. The players change, but the plot remains the same.
The House bombs the first proposal, generates an additional crisis to make it seem more difficult, and then come in at the 11th hour with a solution. Then over to the Senate where Rand Paul will remind everyone that he feels he is relevant and cause a shutdown until the wee hours of the morning. And then do it all over again when the CR expires.
Overall effective impact: none
Overall drama: 100%
Why does this keep happening? We vote the same jackasses in each time, making us the biggest jackass of them all.
Clear to me the point of yesterday was to try to push off a government shutdown as being all the fault of Dems this time, and while it might be working some, it showed off that the House majority is going to be an ungovernable mess.
There is not going to be significant changes when it’s going to be an SOB to get Bacon/Fitzpatrick to agree with the Freedom Caucus on moves, just as an example.
Not sure what this is even about this morning, tbh.
So did they vote iirc it was at 10
Off topic somewhat, but seriously don’t get the conservative obsession with Trump. Dude is literally summoning the four horsemen of the apocalypse as we speak through his plans, and Republicans in the House are rolling over to take it:
– War: Middle East is about to go nuts during the next year
– Pestilence: Bird Flu (and COVID from the last term)
– Famine: Tariffs about to raise food prices through the roof
– Death: Idk, some combination of the first three I presume
Like if you’re a Christian the dude is the end of times incarnate, and Republican Christians are just worshipping him
Has there ever been a government shutdown during an inauguration/transfer of power?
Does anyone know why Trump wanted a two-year suspension of the federal debt limit? That basically gives them the ability to spend without raising the debt limit and so Trump wouldn’t have to deal with the politics of raising the debt ceiling, but at the same time his entire platform is reducing the budget. So shouldn’t he not *have to* raise the debt ceiling?
oh good 91 year old Grassley, he’ll straighten all this out
C-SPAN: [House Democrats Speak to Reporters About Government Funding](https://www.c-span.org/event/news-conference/house-democrats-speak-to-reporters-about-government-funding/429759)
Corpo media is loving this. Ratings were down and they desperately wanted their reality show back to generate chaos, explainer articles, and fake concern to drive revenue
Blood is on their hands.
I hope people realize how important the debt ceiling is as a bargaining chip for Dems in 2025, and why they are smart not to budge on it now:
– Trump raised the debt ceiling 3 times in his first term. He literally has to do so to pass his agenda (tax cuts for the rich, budget for deportation efforts, etc.)
– Trump bypassed Republicans and negotiated with Democrats in 2017 to raise the debt ceiling.
– It is a volatile issue for the GOP, as we’re seeing from all these defections and Republicans will have a shockingly slim majority in the House (+3 seats compared to +47 in 2017).
– The debt ceiling must be raised (absent Dem support in the Senate) with the reconciliation process, which can only be used sparingly, and is the same vessel Trump needs to use to do the agenda mentioned previously – tax cuts for the rich, deportation, general funding packages, repealing the IRA.
In summary, Dems can hold a LOT of power next year if they force Republicans to raise the debt ceiling themselves. It’s likely they will need Dem votes to do so.
Is president musk in favor of this one? How does First Lady trump feel?
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