We are not equipped to handle the acceleration in technology and change.
Industrialization causes drops in the fertility rate.
That’s a very nice chart and I love the colors – a rainbow. I wonder why people marry less in successive generations? Marriage used to be the backbone of society, ensuring that children were born and raised in a relatively stable environment. Are social constructs morphing into something else?
Would love to see the breakdown by religion and how much of this is just the decline in Christianity and people feeling like they must get married in other to be good people
Yea, because we have so many other things to deal with… education, housing, our economic situation.. it will only get worse.
In the past there was no other way to live a life. People got married and had kids and probably lived in the same town they grew up in.
Giving women access to birth control, education, and careers combined with giving the general population access to planes that can fly around the world, and social media / dating apps with thousands of potential partners changed perspectives on relationships. Go figure.
Getting married / having children later + cancer showing up earlier has me extremely worried about the children in these generations.
Woohoo! I’m ahead of the curve!
…. 🙁
Social media effects. Less human interaction
My husband and I mainly got married for tax reasons, and the ability to see each other in the hospital if we ever need to.
What are the different stripes within each decade? Is that one line per year? If so, why isn’t there more overlap? It means that 1990 was very different from 1989.
Let’s consider the wedding industry has been over priced for years, diamonds are an artificial market causing high prices, divorce costs way more than people realize… Small wedding with a lab diamond and a prenup seems like a wish for some couples. You really need a prenup to make sure either party isn’t screwed.
Again who cares? In the world AI, social media the need for human connection and companionship grows lower and lower. Many will point birth rate issues, but technology and society will adapt. This panic over low birth rate and low marriage tends towards fascistic thinking, mostly boomer outrage.
Seriously only right wing weirdos complain about this shit so much.
*Never* is weird in this context. They may get married later—they’re still young. They’re just not currently married.
The Y chromosome is beginning to disappear soon all of this will be irrelevant.
Seems to be a broader ‘western’ trend tbh. If you look at data here in Ireland for example, the average age for first time marriage is 37.4 for men and 35.7 for women in m-f marriages, and 39.4 for m-m and 38.2 for f-f marriages.
Age of first birth is now 33.1 for Irish women vs 27.3 for US women for example.
Most of Europe is trending the same way.
A lot of it seems to be driven by very high housing costs relative to previous generations tbh. I think people are over-emphasising the social trends, largely because of conservatives looking for excuses, but the key issue would seem to be insane housing costs relative to income in most developed countries and the wealthier they are, the more those costs seem to be rising, and it’s not usually proportional to income.
My parents’ generation could have afforded a nice suburban house on one income. My generation absolutely can’t. You need two full time incomes – absolutely no question of either parent being able to be a full time caregiver or splitting it 50:50 either. It’s not financially possible for most people – you need two maximum earning full time jobs or it doesn’t add up anymore, and I think that’s the factor, yet we’ve people dancing around nonsense about sociological issues.
If we could afford to have kids, we’d be having more. The changes in gender roles and all of that would just mean the child rearing would be much more shared than it was decades ago.
They’re very happy to talk about social issues, but various speculative investment funds and lobbyists are making a lot of money out of eye wateringly high house prices, so we’re not going to be focusing on that …
Moved to city, pursued doctorate degree. friend group became professional,urban dwelling, married late if it all, kids late if it all.
My hometown friends got (mostly) married early, trade school or basic 4 yr degrees, kids early.
Fast forward 15 years and my home town friends’ kids are growing up a bit and they seem less stressed. They stayed near friends and family for day care in their community, bought home early in better market with low rates. They are in the 2nd or 3rd home. They have no student loans and have built up a decent net worth. Salaries not far off from the more educated cohort.
Many of my college friends still struggling to buy a home or find a partner, some paying a ton of for daycare or IVF, deeply indebted, overpaid for flashier cars , hawaiin weddings, and other luxuries. They are a bit more informed about the world. They are more educated, did travel and experience more. Prob had more fun. But idk, I think there’s wisdom and simplicity in the old ways. Not sure who is happier tbh.
Just another symptom of our rat utopias collapsing. Take into account that our populations are centered into high density metropolitan areas causing statistics to be disproportionally affected, I’d bet the numbers are much different for rural regions and towns.
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We are not equipped to handle the acceleration in technology and change.
Industrialization causes drops in the fertility rate.
That’s a very nice chart and I love the colors – a rainbow. I wonder why people marry less in successive generations? Marriage used to be the backbone of society, ensuring that children were born and raised in a relatively stable environment. Are social constructs morphing into something else?
Would love to see the breakdown by religion and how much of this is just the decline in Christianity and people feeling like they must get married in other to be good people
Yea, because we have so many other things to deal with… education, housing, our economic situation.. it will only get worse.
In the past there was no other way to live a life. People got married and had kids and probably lived in the same town they grew up in.
Giving women access to birth control, education, and careers combined with giving the general population access to planes that can fly around the world, and social media / dating apps with thousands of potential partners changed perspectives on relationships. Go figure.
Getting married / having children later + cancer showing up earlier has me extremely worried about the children in these generations.
Woohoo! I’m ahead of the curve!
…. 🙁
Social media effects. Less human interaction
My husband and I mainly got married for tax reasons, and the ability to see each other in the hospital if we ever need to.
What are the different stripes within each decade? Is that one line per year? If so, why isn’t there more overlap? It means that 1990 was very different from 1989.
Let’s consider the wedding industry has been over priced for years, diamonds are an artificial market causing high prices, divorce costs way more than people realize… Small wedding with a lab diamond and a prenup seems like a wish for some couples. You really need a prenup to make sure either party isn’t screwed.
Again who cares? In the world AI, social media the need for human connection and companionship grows lower and lower. Many will point birth rate issues, but technology and society will adapt. This panic over low birth rate and low marriage tends towards fascistic thinking, mostly boomer outrage.
Seriously only right wing weirdos complain about this shit so much.
*Never* is weird in this context. They may get married later—they’re still young. They’re just not currently married.
The Y chromosome is beginning to disappear soon all of this will be irrelevant.
Seems to be a broader ‘western’ trend tbh. If you look at data here in Ireland for example, the average age for first time marriage is 37.4 for men and 35.7 for women in m-f marriages, and 39.4 for m-m and 38.2 for f-f marriages.
Age of first birth is now 33.1 for Irish women vs 27.3 for US women for example.
Most of Europe is trending the same way.
A lot of it seems to be driven by very high housing costs relative to previous generations tbh. I think people are over-emphasising the social trends, largely because of conservatives looking for excuses, but the key issue would seem to be insane housing costs relative to income in most developed countries and the wealthier they are, the more those costs seem to be rising, and it’s not usually proportional to income.
My parents’ generation could have afforded a nice suburban house on one income. My generation absolutely can’t. You need two full time incomes – absolutely no question of either parent being able to be a full time caregiver or splitting it 50:50 either. It’s not financially possible for most people – you need two maximum earning full time jobs or it doesn’t add up anymore, and I think that’s the factor, yet we’ve people dancing around nonsense about sociological issues.
If we could afford to have kids, we’d be having more. The changes in gender roles and all of that would just mean the child rearing would be much more shared than it was decades ago.
They’re very happy to talk about social issues, but various speculative investment funds and lobbyists are making a lot of money out of eye wateringly high house prices, so we’re not going to be focusing on that …
Moved to city, pursued doctorate degree. friend group became professional,urban dwelling, married late if it all, kids late if it all.
My hometown friends got (mostly) married early, trade school or basic 4 yr degrees, kids early.
Fast forward 15 years and my home town friends’ kids are growing up a bit and they seem less stressed. They stayed near friends and family for day care in their community, bought home early in better market with low rates. They are in the 2nd or 3rd home. They have no student loans and have built up a decent net worth. Salaries not far off from the more educated cohort.
Many of my college friends still struggling to buy a home or find a partner, some paying a ton of for daycare or IVF, deeply indebted, overpaid for flashier cars , hawaiin weddings, and other luxuries. They are a bit more informed about the world. They are more educated, did travel and experience more. Prob had more fun. But idk, I think there’s wisdom and simplicity in the old ways. Not sure who is happier tbh.
Just another symptom of our rat utopias collapsing. Take into account that our populations are centered into high density metropolitan areas causing statistics to be disproportionally affected, I’d bet the numbers are much different for rural regions and towns.
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