Sure – support whoever will pay the high prices so the charging network can be built out then let us buy them on the second hand market.
It’s not like your average Joe is buying brand new cars anyway – why would electric cars be any different?
If meaningful change is to happen in the vehicle market EV’s need to be accessible to all income levels. This trickle down b.s is outdated and sluggish.
Just like the retrofitting scheme.
The main goal of these schemes is to reduce our carbon footprint and build a more sustainable economy. It is succeeding in moving us towards that goal. There’s plenty of people renovating their homes that wouldn’t have bothered also upgrading their BER rating if it weren’t for the grant.
It would be great if everyone benefited equally, but that was never going to happen outside of a system where the subsidy is 100% of the costs.
My workplace has electric chargers which are free to use. Only a small number of employees use them because not many are using electric vehicles.
Guarantee you that when adoption of electric vehicles becomes more widespread it’ll be done away with or charges will be introduced. Very annoying seeing expensive vehicles being charged for free while the rest for us are being hammered with fuel prices.
Shocker!
Honestly, cost aside, I would say that it wouldn’t be a viable option for my household. I live in an apartment, so can’t charge one at home, the closest charging point being about 20 minutes away from me, so then what,I need to drive 20 minutes one way, hope that the charging point are free, then sit there like a clown twiddling my thumbs for an hour while it charges before I can go about my business? How many other households are in the same boat.
Same as the help to buy scheme.
In the office, the only people who can avail of the help to buy are people on big money or people who were going to build anyways.
There was a lad in the countryside, with a partner saving up. He was going to build before the help to buy anyways. Himself was on 60k+. Not sure what his woman did but probably the same. We were sitting around the breakfast table one morning and was on about the house etc and was saying he needs to fill up the forms for HTB. “free 20k” he said. He didn’t need the money.
And then there’s some people who’ll say “but without help to buy I wouldn’t have been able to, it’s a good thing!”…..well yeah, but all you’re doing is driving up prices because if you didn’t have HTB the house wouldn’t have gone unsold…someone else would have bought it.
I think as well a lot of these people actually have two cars – an elec for local journeys, and a petrol/diesel for long ones.
Until you can comfortably do Dublin/Galway or Dublin/Cork and back on one charge they are difficult to justify for the vast majority who can afford one car.
Rural bus services would have been a better subsidy.
haha fucking obviously.
I anticipate the typical rage boner on this sub that r/Ireland has for anyone who might be doing better than them.
Electric cars are more expensive to buy than IC cars, this is a fact. Half of all cars sold in Ireland on a yearly basis are used imports, this is also a fact. If we don’t subsidise people buying the new cars, we don’t create a second hand market of cheaper cars for the less wealthy to buy.
Without subsidies we won’t have adoption, and without adoption we fail on our climate targets.
Reminder that buying a second hand petrol or diesel car is better for the environment than buying a brand new EV.
No fucking shit Sherlock
s`hocker
Fuckin shocker
New technology available to the wealthy at first. Why is this surprising? If there were absolutely no perks to having more money, what would be the point?
I think it’ll eventually hit us average people people in another few years, at which point, no doubt the richer people will have improved batteries or chargers or cars. I personally don’t see the big issue
Electric cars exist to save the car industry not the environment, if we want to tackle climate change we need to push for more public transport and bicycle infrastructure. If people have options beyond driving they will take them.
Just like the home improvement scheme announced to deflect from addressing inflation.
Who pays for these studies. Fucking idiots. Who can afford outrageously expensive new cars. Mmm let me do a study.
Result – only rich people can afford.
Gonna set up a research company – result, become rich for stating the bleeding obvious and can now buy an electric car. Win-win. Ffs
i cant even afford to fill up my petrol car nevermind buy a new electric car
That’s why we should be focusing on public transport.
EV grants should exclusively apply to cars at the lower end of the spectrum. Someone spending 60k+ on a car is not making decisions based on a 5k grant.
But the real solution is to stop putting all our eggs in one basket. EVs are not going to singlehandedly solve climate change. Even within the transport sector, there are so many more important issues, which don’t get nearly as much attention because they may require more significant lifestyle changes.
Electric vehicle subsidies, help to buy scheme, home retrofit grants.
They all serve those who are already well off.
As a single income non-home owner i benefit very little from my taxes, but those who are better off benefit from them plenty.
Something in Ireland that only benefits the wealthy? Nah that can’t be…. 🤦♂️
This is the cuckoo land out elites live in, this is the policy:
>Move everyone into cities
>No one needs a car because everyone can use bike/public transport
>The few who need cars can use electric
Now,pick holes in that genius strategy
EVs may well be future of cars, but cars are Not the future of transport.
Maintaining the system we have of widespread car Dependence, whether EVs or ICEs, is not something we can afford on a slew of fronts.
Be very critical and skeptical of any politician, for when you ask about carbon emissions from transport, that they’re go to line is “well we plan to have X amount of EVs on the road by 20XX” they’re spoofers, I’m thinking of Richard Bruton, when he was minister for climate. Most recent IPCC report, for anyone who hasn’t read up on it, is a damning report, in no uncertain terms saying that our current way of being is a recipe for disaster.
Its quite interesting that the government keeps postponing projects like the Metro in Dublin, better Rail connectivity nationwide and better public transport in general, that will not only take thousands of cars of the streets but also reduce pollution and boost connectivity (also directly impacting the housing crisis), and make a empty gesture that only benefits a tiny well off percentage of the population. Not to mention most people cannot afford an expensive EV nor have the space/facilities to charge it. Almost as if they are not truly interested in solving any problems, just lining a few pockets of their well off friends. Truly sums up Irish politics in a nutshell. Full of empty gestures!
Who knew that only the rich could afford 50k cars?
In other news, only wealthy people can afford new cars.
But without them, where will we get second hand electric cars from?
No shit Sherlock. You need to own a house, be able to afford a more expensive car and ideally live in a big city. Literally ruling out 90% of the population by default
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Sure – support whoever will pay the high prices so the charging network can be built out then let us buy them on the second hand market.
It’s not like your average Joe is buying brand new cars anyway – why would electric cars be any different?
If meaningful change is to happen in the vehicle market EV’s need to be accessible to all income levels. This trickle down b.s is outdated and sluggish.
Just like the retrofitting scheme.
The main goal of these schemes is to reduce our carbon footprint and build a more sustainable economy. It is succeeding in moving us towards that goal. There’s plenty of people renovating their homes that wouldn’t have bothered also upgrading their BER rating if it weren’t for the grant.
It would be great if everyone benefited equally, but that was never going to happen outside of a system where the subsidy is 100% of the costs.
My workplace has electric chargers which are free to use. Only a small number of employees use them because not many are using electric vehicles.
Guarantee you that when adoption of electric vehicles becomes more widespread it’ll be done away with or charges will be introduced. Very annoying seeing expensive vehicles being charged for free while the rest for us are being hammered with fuel prices.
Shocker!
Honestly, cost aside, I would say that it wouldn’t be a viable option for my household. I live in an apartment, so can’t charge one at home, the closest charging point being about 20 minutes away from me, so then what,I need to drive 20 minutes one way, hope that the charging point are free, then sit there like a clown twiddling my thumbs for an hour while it charges before I can go about my business? How many other households are in the same boat.
Same as the help to buy scheme.
In the office, the only people who can avail of the help to buy are people on big money or people who were going to build anyways.
There was a lad in the countryside, with a partner saving up. He was going to build before the help to buy anyways. Himself was on 60k+. Not sure what his woman did but probably the same. We were sitting around the breakfast table one morning and was on about the house etc and was saying he needs to fill up the forms for HTB. “free 20k” he said. He didn’t need the money.
And then there’s some people who’ll say “but without help to buy I wouldn’t have been able to, it’s a good thing!”…..well yeah, but all you’re doing is driving up prices because if you didn’t have HTB the house wouldn’t have gone unsold…someone else would have bought it.
I think as well a lot of these people actually have two cars – an elec for local journeys, and a petrol/diesel for long ones.
Until you can comfortably do Dublin/Galway or Dublin/Cork and back on one charge they are difficult to justify for the vast majority who can afford one car.
Rural bus services would have been a better subsidy.
haha fucking obviously.
I anticipate the typical rage boner on this sub that r/Ireland has for anyone who might be doing better than them.
Electric cars are more expensive to buy than IC cars, this is a fact. Half of all cars sold in Ireland on a yearly basis are used imports, this is also a fact. If we don’t subsidise people buying the new cars, we don’t create a second hand market of cheaper cars for the less wealthy to buy.
Without subsidies we won’t have adoption, and without adoption we fail on our climate targets.
Reminder that buying a second hand petrol or diesel car is better for the environment than buying a brand new EV.
No fucking shit Sherlock
s`hocker
Fuckin shocker
New technology available to the wealthy at first. Why is this surprising? If there were absolutely no perks to having more money, what would be the point?
I think it’ll eventually hit us average people people in another few years, at which point, no doubt the richer people will have improved batteries or chargers or cars. I personally don’t see the big issue
Electric cars exist to save the car industry not the environment, if we want to tackle climate change we need to push for more public transport and bicycle infrastructure. If people have options beyond driving they will take them.
Just like the home improvement scheme announced to deflect from addressing inflation.
Who pays for these studies. Fucking idiots. Who can afford outrageously expensive new cars. Mmm let me do a study.
Result – only rich people can afford.
Gonna set up a research company – result, become rich for stating the bleeding obvious and can now buy an electric car. Win-win. Ffs
i cant even afford to fill up my petrol car nevermind buy a new electric car
That’s why we should be focusing on public transport.
EV grants should exclusively apply to cars at the lower end of the spectrum. Someone spending 60k+ on a car is not making decisions based on a 5k grant.
But the real solution is to stop putting all our eggs in one basket. EVs are not going to singlehandedly solve climate change. Even within the transport sector, there are so many more important issues, which don’t get nearly as much attention because they may require more significant lifestyle changes.
Electric vehicle subsidies, help to buy scheme, home retrofit grants.
They all serve those who are already well off.
As a single income non-home owner i benefit very little from my taxes, but those who are better off benefit from them plenty.
Something in Ireland that only benefits the wealthy? Nah that can’t be…. 🤦♂️
This is the cuckoo land out elites live in, this is the policy:
>Move everyone into cities
>No one needs a car because everyone can use bike/public transport
>The few who need cars can use electric
Now,pick holes in that genius strategy
EVs may well be future of cars, but cars are Not the future of transport.
Maintaining the system we have of widespread car Dependence, whether EVs or ICEs, is not something we can afford on a slew of fronts.
Be very critical and skeptical of any politician, for when you ask about carbon emissions from transport, that they’re go to line is “well we plan to have X amount of EVs on the road by 20XX” they’re spoofers, I’m thinking of Richard Bruton, when he was minister for climate. Most recent IPCC report, for anyone who hasn’t read up on it, is a damning report, in no uncertain terms saying that our current way of being is a recipe for disaster.
Its quite interesting that the government keeps postponing projects like the Metro in Dublin, better Rail connectivity nationwide and better public transport in general, that will not only take thousands of cars of the streets but also reduce pollution and boost connectivity (also directly impacting the housing crisis), and make a empty gesture that only benefits a tiny well off percentage of the population. Not to mention most people cannot afford an expensive EV nor have the space/facilities to charge it. Almost as if they are not truly interested in solving any problems, just lining a few pockets of their well off friends. Truly sums up Irish politics in a nutshell. Full of empty gestures!
Who knew that only the rich could afford 50k cars?
In other news, only wealthy people can afford new cars.
But without them, where will we get second hand electric cars from?
No shit Sherlock. You need to own a house, be able to afford a more expensive car and ideally live in a big city. Literally ruling out 90% of the population by default