Let’s see what you guys’ ideas are to improve working for women in Switzerland. 26th is really bad. Sweden ranks 1st!!

44 comments

  2. 26th? BAD?

    Out of how many?

    And that graph doesn’t even have units!

    (not to say there’s no room for improvements)

  4. Men in leadership roles should only hire women.

    They look woke that way and secure their lucrative positions and then retire out and let someone else deal with the mess.

    💩 work can be left to the men

    Oh wait, this is 🇨🇭, not the 🇺🇸. 😁

    In that case, continue with meritocracy and may the best person win, as it should be.

  7. Supervised lunch programs in all public schools and kindergartens for children below 12.

    Longer maternity leave. Significantly longer paternity leave. (the same amount for both sexes imo)

    An increase in flexible working models. Something the official government administrations should imo definitely enact.

  8. So here is a clarification:

    The index, which ranks countries within the OECD, combines data on higher education, labour-force participation, pay, child care costs, maternity and paternity rights, business school applications and representation in senior jobs.

    For people without Google:

    OECD: Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development

    PS: I don’t understand why some people are taking this as an attack on their person. This is meant to be a constructive discussion.

  9. Better, if possible cheaper and more flexible child care.
    Or change the mindset of people in charge of hiring, that people with a few years of breaks (e.g. due to childcare or others) are still hireable.

  10. So here is a clarification:

    The index, which ranks countries within the OECD, combines data on higher education, labour-force participation, pay, child care costs, maternity and paternity rights, business school applications and representation in senior jobs.

    For people without Google:

    OECD: Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development

    PS: I don’t understand why some people are taking this as an attack on their person. This is meant to be a constructive discussion.

  11. The list is long, but here are a few things:

    1. Improve access to daycare
    2. Stop asking women in job interviews if they are planning on having kids (it is illegal, but everyone does it), or if they have kids already, or how they plan on balancing a job and kids
    3. Stop insisting that the mother, not the father, comes to the schools to address any issues with the kids
    4. Improve maternity (and paternity) leave
    5. Stop shaming and judging women who want to both have a profession and a family

    And so on.

  12. No idea if it’s also a factor, but I’d like to point out that women who are of retiring age now are the first generation that were allowed to vote at the age they entered the workforce. I assume that it was significantly harder to get a managerial job as a woman at a time they weren’t even allowed to vote federally. I’m also assuming that if we take all the people over the age of like 50 out of these statistics, we may rank slightly higher.

    This is all just assumptions, I have nothing to back up this hypothesis, but I thought it might be interesting to think about.

  13. Switzerland is very bad for young families indeed. No maternity/paternity leave, incredibly expensive daycare.

    The Swiss society does not see workers as individuals, but mainly 9h/workday machines

  14. I think the main one really is lack of affordable daycare. But a parent staying at home/working part time is a great thing for children. We just need to change societal norms so men do that as much as women and it not seen as the women’s role.

  16. We should soley focus on problems regarding women. Full committment to it.

    But lets ignore that a man by the age of 18 has mandatory military service, or has to pay for it. That puts joung men at a significant disadvantage in University (having extra costs / having to leave courses in order to train how to murder people).

    Lets ignore that a woman can decide to have a baby or to kill it on their own, but the man having no say in it. If he doesnt want the baby and makes it clear when the women is just 4 weeks pregnant, he will still have to pay alemony for it, if the women decides to give birth to it. Babytrap is real.

    Lets ignore that the suicide rate for men is much bigger than for women. Cant have equality in that.

    Lets ignore that men go to prison for longer for the same crime a women has done. No equality in that pls.

    Lets ignore that a women has an earlier retirement age than men, despite having a longer live expectency. The left defends that privilege with a passion.

    IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

    Our biggest problem is that not enough women compared to men are in CEO-chairs. Lets brainstorm how to improve that.

    IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

  19. as a ftm just returning to work after my maternity leave: the cost of childcare is bananas…. we are only doing 2 days a week and its still crazy…. but this happens in many countries

  20. What I heard from Swiss daycare/school system about 10 years ago was that the kids need to be taken home at the middle of the day to have a lunch. Is that still same? What’s the point? Why daycare/school cannot provide the lunch?

  21. Salary transparency, equal jobs should have equal pay in the same company. Stop with the person specific salary haggling outside of salary range.

  22. Im a social worker in Switzerland. I see a lot of comment about daycare being not affordable. I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately because we are underpaid. I’ve a bachelor degree but can barely afford a flat on my own.

    I think daycare should be finance like school and social worker should have a correct salary on compensation. A 100% is 45 hours a week, with irregular schedules and sometimes even weekend.

    I don’t work in childcare, but they are usually paid even less than I do with a awful amount of work.

    Their is a big problem in Switzerland with jobs done mostly by women being underpaid.

  23. Wild take, but I’d maybe establish equality for the men’s side more seriously (and I’m a female saying this) but having equally long paternity leave, more flexible hours for *male* parents, asking men if they plan on having kids soon (cheeky 😉 ) just evens the playing ground to how it should be and lowers chances that women are not hired or are payed less because they’re (potential) mothers. I feel like this current situation is very disrespectful to fathers and makes the assumption that father’s don’t want to/have to spend time with their young and family. Making families the norm could lead to a healthier work balance between the sexes. But also not sure if this would increase the demand for young and single workers, but maybe that’s not too bad 😉

  24. Well, what did you expect. It’s only been about 30 years since women can vote in all parts of Switzerland 😂

  25. Yeah, like others have already said, affordable daycare and a parental leave system that isn’t basically a joke would be two places to start.

    tbqh, though, those are band-aids. I’m really not sure if we, as a culture, are actually interested in solving this. I’m male, so I haven’t seen too much of this first-hand unless it’s male coworkers running their mouths because they think I’m “on their side”, but some of the anecdotes I’ve heard about what women are subjected to (“What do you want more hours for? You’re a woman, you don’t need that extra money”) are pretty surreal. It’s just endemic in this country, and I really don’t know if there’s anything that can be done about it.

  26. Without trying to be condescending, let me try to understand.

    We need the government to impose regulations for companies to offer better QoL to their employees to break the glass ceiling within private swiss companies because the alternative would be for people to willingly continue working for these companies since its all that much better than working elsewhere or being unemployed, since they can always find someone to do your work if you protest too much?

    Stupid question: why cant we tackle this issue the other way?

    What if the gov puts pressure on the supply of employees? Wouldnt that make companies more competitive since they would not find a way to replace employees who have less ethical standards than you?

    Add a progressive tax applied on employees of companies who do not meet agreed-upon ethical standards.

    If employees are financially un encouraged to work for you, and you cant bring foreigners within switz to replace your workers, then the company would be forced to move out or work with its employees to find an compromise/solution.

    I know it sounds terrible to focus a tax on the employees, but there will always be someone willing to replace you by having less standards, or more preassuring financial demands.

    If you cant supplement the financial demand, why cant you decrease the financial reward for putting up with uncaring companies?

    Just an idea. It sounds stupid, but i dont see good ideas working, so i like to make stupid ideas work instead…

    Not trying to be patronizing etc. simply trying to look with a different set of eyes.

  29. How about paying separate taxes when married. I don’t see the reason that there is a punishment if a married couple has a good salary to pay more just because they are married. This sometimes forces the ‘weaker’ paid to stay at home which is usually the woman…

  30. Why do you post a report about inequality and then only address the guys? That makes no sense at all and is contrary to what should be achieved with equal rights.

  31. Longer paternity leaves.

    Look at the top countries: they all offer long paternity leaves. So the dads can easily stay at home with their kids while the mother returns to work.

  32. There is something very wrong in taking the average of an index.

    Having said that, I agree with most that the main issue is daycare. Not only at preschool and kindergarten level, but also primary school.

    Public school times are not compatible with two people working unless a nanny is also involved. Schedule change all the time, afternoon care often requires that someone is picking up the kid for lunch and bringing them back at school. We both work, but only because our salaries allow us to pay for a private school with lunch care and long afternoon care. If our jobs were paying less, there would be no doubt that the person earning less would better stay home, and this is usually the mother.

  33. Perhaps start from the root, providing a fair and just support for men in court in cases of divorce, co-parenting, child custody… Men have almost no rights here in Switzerland. Its absolutely retarded.

  36. Just heard today at a professional panel with « top » managers from various Swiss companies (both women and men) that one of the measures to enforce equality and inclusion of working women at top positions would also be to « remind women that working part time has huge consequences on their professional career and that before they choose such a thing they should really think about it in terms of career progressions, financial independence and retirement funds ».
    Nobody mentioned that their company was willing e.g. to help implementing daycare facilities at their offices, or that we could actually rethink the way we progress in a career (i.e., job sharing, etc.)
    These people are so out of touch with reality and with what the younger generation wants.

  37. Think showing the „net child-care costs“ graph already hints towards what’s going wrong in Switzerland and works better in other countries. Embarrassing Parental leave and lack of further support for parents forces someone into staying at home and basically giving up their jobs. This someone most often is the mother.

  38. One thing I really believe in would be to make paternity leave just as long as maternity leave.

    The idea would be to incite/force daddies to stay at home when the mother is getting back to work.

    I think it would help with both leveling salary differences and providing a daycare solution.

  39. What an appalling ranking. The only 3 countries are lower are Japan and South Korea who treat women like crap (I have been watching a lot of TV shows from there and the social values around this are just appalling) and Turkey who have a president who withdrew Turkey from the pact to end violence against women, ironically called the Istanbul Convention.

  40. Better childcare, equal pay, universal parental leave, better education regarding gender equality, taking real actions against workplace sexism and sexism in general, and so on…

    Edit : free period products and awarness about women’s health in general.

  41. Swiss Engineer (M) here. First, while employed, it was impossible to get a part time job in the industry. Good luck finding an employer that allows fathers to care for their children. I had to become self employed first. Second, day care is prohibitively expensive. It exceeds any income, mine or my wives. And we have both masters. And third: you know how many weird looks we get from traditional swiss families for sharing our parental duties? Switzerland is just still very traditional about how families should look like. And it won’t change in the near future.

  42. The laws for working needs drastic improvment for employees as a whole.

    Currently it’s highly pro employer. To much hours per week, low paid time off, medium salaries with no real raises. Also the employer has to much rights to contact you in your free time.

    In Scandinavia, also recently the Belgians, they’re going a good way with 4 days a week and no contact from your boss outside working hours.

    But honestly, what do I expect from a country that rejected 6 weeks paid time off.

  44. What did you expect? Just an example: Somebody proposed a paternal leave for Switzerland that is only a fractal of what Sweden has, in the end they even agreed on just half of that and the law still got challenged by 50’000 potato heads. Not to mention maternal leave. Or wage transparency. Or normalising part-time work.

    We are just a lukewarm crowd of unseasoned chickens

Leave a Reply