If I wasn’t already deeply familiar with all this I’d be baffled… this must be so confusing for tourists, and that’s without knowing that they’ll probably take half a day trying to make it out of Bank station alone lol.
In fairness to whoever updated the map, how else were they supposed to show that you can get off the Elizabeth line at the “Liverpool Street” stop and exit either at Liverpool St or Moorgate.
The issue is that half the Elizabeth line stations you can enter/exit ages away from the station they’re named as being (eg Farringdon you can come out at Farringdon or Barbican, Tottenham Court Road is half way to Oxford Circus, etc).
As much as I admire the commitment to accessibility, from a design and efficiency standpoint it does add to the mess.
They could easily depict Moorgate as one blob rather than separating northern and the subsurface lines like that.
Thanks for the laugh, great title.
It’s awful. I watched a video about the original designed of the Tube map and it pointed out how elegant his designs were vs the modern monstrosties such as the one you’ve shown above.
I think they should hold a design competition (with a great prize), I’m sure they’d get a better way to display these complicated connections.
Yeah, that’s an absolute mess. The dotted lines indicating “fairly short walk above ground” are unhelpful. They clutter the map and don’t mean anything.
But Liverpool St is definitely the worst. That’s just a hot mess.
The problem with Moorgate/Liverpool St and Bank/Monument is the different levels of access have to be displayed. If they all had the same level of access, they would be able to combine some of these and reduce the complexity a lot…
Street because it takes up the whole street
With how the stops in The City are integrated, they did the best they could with the existing map format. Sure it’s due a refresh but day 2 problem given how frickin awesome the Lizzy Line is.
At least they’ve made bank clearer
Does this mean I can change from the Elizabeth Line at Moorgate onto the H&C/Circle/Met line, and at Liverpool Street onto the Central Line (and whatever line of the Overground that is)? Without getting a new ticket?
The more I look at this, the worse it gets
There’s a few stations (Bank/Monument, Paddington, Liverpool Street/Moorgate) which are too complex for Beck’s design to work. TfL probably need a map-in-a-map solution to show them.
Looks like the entire metro service of some small but busy city.
And it has my favorite station, Bankument. But the adding of the over ground line makes the once super easy to understand map become a much more confusing mess that becomes so hard to read.
Old Street 🤍🤍
They should just change it to one blob and call it all by one name
After double checking the maps for the Elizabeth Line and the Northern Line. I can confirm the stations inside the green circle I’ve drawn are both for Liverpool St. And below it within the orange circle are for Moorgate.
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For non-Londoners that must be confusing as hell
And Goodge street 😩
If I wasn’t already deeply familiar with all this I’d be baffled… this must be so confusing for tourists, and that’s without knowing that they’ll probably take half a day trying to make it out of Bank station alone lol.
In fairness to whoever updated the map, how else were they supposed to show that you can get off the Elizabeth line at the “Liverpool Street” stop and exit either at Liverpool St or Moorgate.
The issue is that half the Elizabeth line stations you can enter/exit ages away from the station they’re named as being (eg Farringdon you can come out at Farringdon or Barbican, Tottenham Court Road is half way to Oxford Circus, etc).
As much as I admire the commitment to accessibility, from a design and efficiency standpoint it does add to the mess.
They could easily depict Moorgate as one blob rather than separating northern and the subsurface lines like that.
Thanks for the laugh, great title.
It’s awful. I watched a video about the original designed of the Tube map and it pointed out how elegant his designs were vs the modern monstrosties such as the one you’ve shown above.
I think they should hold a design competition (with a great prize), I’m sure they’d get a better way to display these complicated connections.
Yeah, that’s an absolute mess. The dotted lines indicating “fairly short walk above ground” are unhelpful. They clutter the map and don’t mean anything.
But Liverpool St is definitely the worst. That’s just a hot mess.
The problem with Moorgate/Liverpool St and Bank/Monument is the different levels of access have to be displayed. If they all had the same level of access, they would be able to combine some of these and reduce the complexity a lot…
Street because it takes up the whole street
With how the stops in The City are integrated, they did the best they could with the existing map format. Sure it’s due a refresh but day 2 problem given how frickin awesome the Lizzy Line is.
At least they’ve made bank clearer
Does this mean I can change from the Elizabeth Line at Moorgate onto the H&C/Circle/Met line, and at Liverpool Street onto the Central Line (and whatever line of the Overground that is)? Without getting a new ticket?
The more I look at this, the worse it gets
There’s a few stations (Bank/Monument, Paddington, Liverpool Street/Moorgate) which are too complex for Beck’s design to work. TfL probably need a map-in-a-map solution to show them.
Looks like the entire metro service of some small but busy city.
And it has my favorite station, Bankument. But the adding of the over ground line makes the once super easy to understand map become a much more confusing mess that becomes so hard to read.
Old Street 🤍🤍
They should just change it to one blob and call it all by one name
https://preview.redd.it/d9ix6dkzfl9e1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7edd6d077baea3cfc479cc1e1bc229015b4e8d29
After double checking the maps for the Elizabeth Line and the Northern Line. I can confirm the stations inside the green circle I’ve drawn are both for Liverpool St. And below it within the orange circle are for Moorgate.
But to make it super confusing, the [Elizabeth Line map](https://content.tfl.gov.uk/elizabeth-line-map.pdf) says you can get off at Liverpool Street for the northern line.
I can’t remember from memory now. All four of these are connected by walkways??
No no this is brilliant. I lived in London for TEN YEARS before finding out about the Liverpool Street/Moorgate combo.
Born and bred Londoner and this still confuses me
Look up the story of Harry beck, them shafting him is the reason why it’s so bad now
Me: “How many lines can you access from Bank?”
TfL: “Yes”
THis is a fùcking mess. They need to go back to the drawing board. I’m glad I’m not a visitor to London.
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