Democrats are ‘stuck in our old ways’: Rep. Crockett on AOC losing Oversight Cmte. job vote

https://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/democrats-are-stuck-in-our-old-ways-rep-crockett-on-aoc-losing-oversight-cmte-job-vote-228075589701

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  1. If this was Republicans, msnbc would call it a “Civil War”.

  2. There’s probably a lot of changes democrats are going to need to make in order to win elections. Some of those changes are going to be pretty unpopular with a lot of established democrats as well.

  3. The whole country is stuck in old ways. It’s really difficult to look at the entirety of the last 40+ years and not come away wondering what it is about movement conservatism that is so compelling for US voters. Time and time again the nation chooses conservatism, or a palatable lesser version of conservatism offered by the Democratic party when the inevitable shittiness of Republican conservatism becomes too much to bear.

  4. Crockett is not wrong. It was an opportunity for the party to shake off the POTUS loss and show a new path forward. But the old guard couldn’t have that and put a 75 year old in. Not to dismiss Connolley’s contributions but this was not the move to take. And it will cost the Dems some important mindshare.

  5. This is the most beltway fight I have ever heard. Not a single key voter is thinking about who is the committee chair. Pretty sure even people on here couldn’t name half the major committee chairs. It’s not relevant to why they lost. 

    They lost for the same reason pretty much every in power government, liberal or conservative, lost: the global economy sucks right now and that means the party in power gets replaced. Sometimes it really is just that simple. 

  6. The political landscape will be super interesting in 2028. I just can’t wait to no longer see or hear DJT. I’m glad he can’t run for a 3rd time.

  7. Gerry Atric isn’t even going to be able to do the job once he starts his cancer treatment but hey it was his turn and he’s a young 74

  8. The reckoning is coming for the revamp. I can feel it and Dems are about to go younger fast.

  9. Democratic leadership keeps talking in slight modification terms and much of the electorate is willing to burn the whole MF’er down if only it will bring about some type of meaningful change.

    Trump won in part because slow and steady isn’t winning races when people are so fed up that some are shooting CEO’s.

  10. Democrats in Congress have to understand that this puts out a message that’s alienating a portion of voters, while corroding the party’s public image. And what’s particularly frustrating about this, is that there’s a double standard at play here.

    Even though Trump’s administration is expected to be the richest in US history, and the GOP is represented by an aging, mentally deteriorating leader and there is no shortage of old guard, geriatric Republicans in Congress, it’s Democrats who receive a disproportionate amount of criticism for preserving the “established order.” And this is all while Republicans are able to run successfully on a so called populist platform, despite the fact that the GOP resembles anything but.

    Which is precisely why it’s so unnerving that Democrats either refuse to acknowledge or simply don’t understand how important it is, right now, to break the status quo and send a message to voters that the party must be reshaped if it’s going to have any shot at challenging a far right, authoritarian agenda.

    I guess the silver lining here is that one, AOC will still have a role within the committee, and two, the pushback from this indicates that there are at least some Democrats demanding change.

    Republicans have successfully campaigned on being the “outsiders.” But these political players are only”outsiders” in the sense that they’ve been exploiting their wealth, power and influence to counsel and affect policy, to install their benefactors into positions of power, and to cater to special interests and the rich from the “outside,” while laying the groundwork for their inevitable entry into politics.

    And unfortunately for us all, this deception has worked. So much so that they’ve convinced a large swath of their base to vote against their best interests.

    So if Democrats have any hope of challenging these efforts, they have to commit to the *real* thing…

  11. Old old ancient ass ways. With a congress full of Boomers, is it any surprise?

    Change with the times? Retire? NO! EVERYTHING IS ABOUT US! WE WOULD RATHER BURN IT DOWN THAN HELP ANYONE ELSE!

  13. They are one wing of the same bird that the Republicans party also came from. It’s not that surprising when they don’t want to lose the money and power the democratic party gets them.

  16. The old guard needs to step aside and let the young stars shine. Shit is so frustrating.

  17. AOC is still one of the few congress “people” who do not take money from lobbyists. Dem or Rep, that is the real problem.

  18. I don’t know that AOC was the best choice, but OMFG is it obvious that the Old Guard are the wrong choice.

  19. Hey Democrats, stop it. Right now, the GOP is imploding over their own immigration policies. Right now, the ONLY thing you should be talking about his how good Democratic immigration policies are and how bad Republican policies are (couched in terms of how it will benefit people’s ability to afford groceries, get better jobs, etc. of course).

    Nobody outside of the media gives a shit who chairs the minority on the Oversight committee. Also, AOC (or Crockett or anyone else on the committee) can still speak to the public as often and on whatever, they want, the only difference between the ranking member of the minority and any other member of the minority on the committee is the ranking member is the one who has to work directly with the GOP majority on the committee.

  21. Do you remember Feinstein being rolled around Capitol Hill?

    Or Biden denying us a primary?

    They won’t go willingly.

  22. Crockett is the future of the party. I’d vote for her for anything.

  23. This nonsense has to end.

    We desperately need new blood in our Federal Government!

  24. No, they’re stuck in their new ways. That’s the problem.

  25. When does pelosi get voted out? Someone should challenge that greedy windbag

  26. Dems were/are called progressives…nothing progressive as slapping AOC, one of the D’s brightest stsrs, to the curb…both AOC *and* Crock ett need to be elevated…the are leaders of the future, if we still have one

  27. By “old ways” do you mean “not letting American be overthrown by fascists?”.

    Because if you mean that – that’s not the case. Apparently our democratic government is fine with gangland fascism taking over the country and installing a dictator of putin’s choosing.

    Bunch of spineless self serving wimps who don’t want to rock the boat as long as the money keeps flowing in. To them… not to us.

  29. At this rate, aoc won’t get party leadership until she’s geriatric as well

  30. Yup. This is not ok, and I’m a boomer Dem. WTF, Pelosi and Connelly should go. Pissed.

  32. When I don’t know who any of the candidates are, I look up their photo and vote for the non-boomer. 

    Democrats have lost my vote for the foreseeable future. 

    I don’t even give a shit about policy or whatever the fuck anymore.

    I’m just straight up tired of out of touch dinosaurs running shit. Seriously. Please go die or retire. I’d be incredibly happy with either. 

  33. If all these geriatrics and boomers could just keel over and let younger generations take charge already that would be great.

  34. Unfortunately, there’s no such thing as a megalomaniacal narcissist with a progressive and egalitarian mindset who could break the party to their will.

  35. They don’t want progressive policies. Instead they say nothing.

  36. They’re stuck in their new ways. 

    The modern Democrats are filled with neo liberals, which are conservatives who should know better. They’re milquetoast moderates who stand for nothing and have passion for nothing except kicking the can down the road on issues to make really progress. Roe V wade was ruled on I. The 70s, and they never did a damn thing to enshrine it in federal law. Watch as all other Liberal Supreme Court rulings (made ironically enough with Republican Supreme Court justices at the time) are u dermines and overruled.

  37. Creating an effective Democratic party is a war of attrition.

    They screwed this election so bad we can only duck and cover.

  38. I’ve seen Rham Emmanuel being interviewed … This is a bad sign. Rham is responsible for Clinton’s corporate shift – winning at any cost. It won the election, but NAFTA and allowing cuts in services at the same time as communities were being decimated by offshoring and outsourcing threw workers into the lap of the Republican party.

    Next Rham advised Obama to go Wall Street after the banking crisis that people have still not recovered from. That sent even more workers into Trump’s lap.

    The idea that a faux populist trump won and these old goats in the party see that as a sign they should go further right is insane. Watch who they put in as head of the DNC. Pro corporate or pro worker…

    They still think they are fighting Reagan in the greed is good 1980s. Clueless.

  40. I often think lot of reddit ste too harsh kn the democrats and Pelosi specifically. But this isnt one of those moments. The democrats absolutely have a massive issue with seniority. 

  41. This was a huge mistake at a time when we the dems could least afford it. Instead of unifying and gritting their teeth they choose to sit back smoke a stogie and watch the world burn.

  42. The DNC are in danger of losing *another* generation…

    Hey dipshits!! Put AOC in charge while you still have a chance!

  43. Or maybe someone young should have run who is an ultra progressive. The future of the democratic party is not progressive. If loses Everytime in the primary. The vast majority of our reps are not progressive.

  44. The biggest problem with the party, and it kind of mirrors a problem with society in general that’s hurting younger generations, is that the old people won’t just give up the reins and move on. In most of the country the problem is our shitty country makes retirement really tough but in the Democratic Party it’s just old fucks letting their ego destroy everything they’ve built.

  45. The Democrats and the Republicans are in a good place to split. The Democrats divide between the corporatists and the progressives. The Republicans split between the religious fundamentalists and the plutocrats.

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