It is surprising that a successful nation copes about events in its history, but allow me to pre-answer some arguments
**’Invited’:** the fact that some dissenters, who had fallen out of favour with their king and held little political or military power, responded to William’s request to be invited doesn’t mean that it wasn’t an invasion. William had to rely on the strength the Dutch military forces to get it done. Yeah, many strongly opposed James II’s domestic policies, but few Englishmen were enthousiastic about the prospect of being occupied by Dutch forces. They had been at war with the Dutch 3 times in the previous 40 years and Dutch xenophobia was rampant.
**’Bloodless’:** Yes, the invasion was relatively bloodless, but that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t an invasion. William was opposed by the Royal Navy and the Royal army. The Royal Navy was outgunned and simply failed intercept the Dutch fleet, while James’ army fell apart *after* he panicked and retreated from Salisbury plain. While his army was superior in numbers it was inferior in quality. A few minor defections took place that rocked his confidence and his stress, guilt and sickness got to him and he retreated. The strategic implications of that retreat were interpreted by many as conceding defeat and consequently his army fell apart and major defections started to happen. As a respected British military historian wrote: *The vast majority of the army stayed loyal to their sovereign and it was the king who, in a state of mental and physical collapse, let down his own army.*
**’Powerless’:** The Bill of Rights did not make William of Orange powerless. Little changed about the actual powers of the monarch. The revolutionary part was that it was a first real contract between Parliament and an English monarch. William had almost full control of England’s foreign policy and fully controlled the use of its armed forces.
**’I don’t speak Dutch, or do I?’:** Yeah, no shit Barry. It would have been funny, but the annexation into the Dutch Empire was never a feasable prospect that anyone thought about. Annexation is not neccassary for something to be an invasion. William invaded to prevent an Anglo-French alliance/English neutrality in the upcomming [Nine Years War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Years%27_War). The Dutch Republic couldn’t experience another [Disaster Year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampjaar).
You are making Napoleon and Hitler jealous
If this is true, it should make Sweden the country with the longest independent rule, unbroken by any violent revolution or invasion, (since 1523) in Western Europe (maybe even the world..?). So I am def. behind it.
It’s only a three-letter difference, so I’ll forgive it, but you spelt “invitation” wrong.
Magnus Barefoot in 1098: Am I a joke to you??
The British isles were raided and invaded many times after 1066.
Who turned the French flag on it’s side? What flag is that?
I think you’d have a challenge trying to find people in the UK. who actually know or care what the Glorious Revolution was. The Norman conquest is far more important for British history.
The greatest thing William did for England was dying and giving us Queen Anne, under whose reign England and Scotland were United and we won the war of the Spanish Succession.
Of course all things said it was a successful invasion even if it isn’t particularly well known about.
More like 1653, if we’re including the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland.
We did roll out the red carpet, it’s hardly comparable to the invasion of 1066.
Is this the Netherland’s version of Serbia’s Nighthawk moment? Wherein the actual achievement is blown out of proportion and nobody else in the world cares?
the English coping is now smelt throughout Europe, now everything stinks, you should be ashamed 🙁
“Successful invasion” ? Like… There was a Dutch king there ? Barry is talking Dutch in England now ?! I was lied to ??
I know you’ve ‘answered this’, but ima be goofy and ima do it again anyways just to be annoying, you were invited my wooden shoed tall man friend.
What language are we speaking, Rutger?
I mean… most historians are not settled on it being an invasion in the traditional military sense. Jan just needs to pump his ego to pretend he’s the only person who could do what everyone else could not.
* Invited by Parliament.
* Supported as the legal ruler by Parliament.
* Supported by the English Army.
* Widespread (almost universal) public support.
* Only opposition being a bunch of Catholic pansies supporting a ‘King’ who’d made himself illegitimate as the ruler of the country by his abject failure to accept the limits on his power.
An ‘invasion’ requires belligerent intent. The reality is that it was a coup by Parliament and the English Army seeking to install William as Monarch, which was enforced by his own foreign troops. When the army of the country you’re invading literally asks you to come, then it sort of puts paid the idea of it being a military victory. The reality is that it was a coup by Parliament and the English Army seeking to install William as Monarch, which was enforced by his own foreign troops.
Still, i’m willing to accept it counts… it still means we’ve resisted invasion longer than any of you and very bigly, too.
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The Dutch as a group need to huff fan fiction to inflate their impression of their history to match their egotistical needs, and that’s all this is.
Jonathan Israel has made a living and probably has 3 bland holiday homes in the Netherlands on servicing Dutch ego.
The only cultural impact this so called ‘invasion’ had is making carrots orange.
The British Isles have been invaded a dozen or two times since 1066. Along with Louis VIII in the First Barons’ War, this is the one that came closest to conquering England. There are big caveats to both of course, but it’s copium to just dismiss them
Make a map with all the places the Netherlands has conquered by proxy of the British conquering them
Didn’t the Yanks invade and take a fishing village in their revolt? Whitehaven I think. Apparently they trashed the place, got pissed and went.
We’ve been conquered by everyone, you’re not special
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It is surprising that a successful nation copes about events in its history, but allow me to pre-answer some arguments
**’Invited’:** the fact that some dissenters, who had fallen out of favour with their king and held little political or military power, responded to William’s request to be invited doesn’t mean that it wasn’t an invasion. William had to rely on the strength the Dutch military forces to get it done. Yeah, many strongly opposed James II’s domestic policies, but few Englishmen were enthousiastic about the prospect of being occupied by Dutch forces. They had been at war with the Dutch 3 times in the previous 40 years and Dutch xenophobia was rampant.
**’Bloodless’:** Yes, the invasion was relatively bloodless, but that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t an invasion. William was opposed by the Royal Navy and the Royal army. The Royal Navy was outgunned and simply failed intercept the Dutch fleet, while James’ army fell apart *after* he panicked and retreated from Salisbury plain. While his army was superior in numbers it was inferior in quality. A few minor defections took place that rocked his confidence and his stress, guilt and sickness got to him and he retreated. The strategic implications of that retreat were interpreted by many as conceding defeat and consequently his army fell apart and major defections started to happen. As a respected British military historian wrote: *The vast majority of the army stayed loyal to their sovereign and it was the king who, in a state of mental and physical collapse, let down his own army.*
**’Powerless’:** The Bill of Rights did not make William of Orange powerless. Little changed about the actual powers of the monarch. The revolutionary part was that it was a first real contract between Parliament and an English monarch. William had almost full control of England’s foreign policy and fully controlled the use of its armed forces.
**’I don’t speak Dutch, or do I?’:** Yeah, no shit Barry. It would have been funny, but the annexation into the Dutch Empire was never a feasable prospect that anyone thought about. Annexation is not neccassary for something to be an invasion. William invaded to prevent an Anglo-French alliance/English neutrality in the upcomming [Nine Years War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Years%27_War). The Dutch Republic couldn’t experience another [Disaster Year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampjaar).
You are making Napoleon and Hitler jealous
If this is true, it should make Sweden the country with the longest independent rule, unbroken by any violent revolution or invasion, (since 1523) in Western Europe (maybe even the world..?). So I am def. behind it.
It’s only a three-letter difference, so I’ll forgive it, but you spelt “invitation” wrong.
Magnus Barefoot in 1098: Am I a joke to you??
The British isles were raided and invaded many times after 1066.
Who turned the French flag on it’s side? What flag is that?
I think you’d have a challenge trying to find people in the UK. who actually know or care what the Glorious Revolution was. The Norman conquest is far more important for British history.
The greatest thing William did for England was dying and giving us Queen Anne, under whose reign England and Scotland were United and we won the war of the Spanish Succession.
Of course all things said it was a successful invasion even if it isn’t particularly well known about.
More like 1653, if we’re including the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland.
We did roll out the red carpet, it’s hardly comparable to the invasion of 1066.
Is this the Netherland’s version of Serbia’s Nighthawk moment? Wherein the actual achievement is blown out of proportion and nobody else in the world cares?
the English coping is now smelt throughout Europe, now everything stinks, you should be ashamed 🙁
“Successful invasion” ? Like… There was a Dutch king there ? Barry is talking Dutch in England now ?! I was lied to ??
I know you’ve ‘answered this’, but ima be goofy and ima do it again anyways just to be annoying, you were invited my wooden shoed tall man friend.
What language are we speaking, Rutger?
I mean… most historians are not settled on it being an invasion in the traditional military sense. Jan just needs to pump his ego to pretend he’s the only person who could do what everyone else could not.
* Invited by Parliament.
* Supported as the legal ruler by Parliament.
* Supported by the English Army.
* Widespread (almost universal) public support.
* Only opposition being a bunch of Catholic pansies supporting a ‘King’ who’d made himself illegitimate as the ruler of the country by his abject failure to accept the limits on his power.
An ‘invasion’ requires belligerent intent. The reality is that it was a coup by Parliament and the English Army seeking to install William as Monarch, which was enforced by his own foreign troops. When the army of the country you’re invading literally asks you to come, then it sort of puts paid the idea of it being a military victory. The reality is that it was a coup by Parliament and the English Army seeking to install William as Monarch, which was enforced by his own foreign troops.
Still, i’m willing to accept it counts… it still means we’ve resisted invasion longer than any of you and very bigly, too.
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The Dutch as a group need to huff fan fiction to inflate their impression of their history to match their egotistical needs, and that’s all this is.
Jonathan Israel has made a living and probably has 3 bland holiday homes in the Netherlands on servicing Dutch ego.
The only cultural impact this so called ‘invasion’ had is making carrots orange.
The British Isles have been invaded a dozen or two times since 1066. Along with Louis VIII in the First Barons’ War, this is the one that came closest to conquering England. There are big caveats to both of course, but it’s copium to just dismiss them
Make a map with all the places the Netherlands has conquered by proxy of the British conquering them
Didn’t the Yanks invade and take a fishing village in their revolt? Whitehaven I think. Apparently they trashed the place, got pissed and went.
We’ve been conquered by everyone, you’re not special
Surely more of an invitation than an invasion?
Lmao, Okay
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