Hello. I am Bashkir. I was interested in the question of the ancient Hungarians, who, according to some sources, lived in my country for a very long time. Some argue about the “Great Hungary” in the Bashkir lands. Someone makes Bashkirs and Hungarians related. What do you think of all this?
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I must say that I am neutral on this issue. I’m interested in your opinion on your history. I am inclined to believe that the ancient Hungarians lived east of Bashkortostan. Perhaps we have a common blood, but it is insignificant. I’m not looking for your support or anything like that. I know that your leadership loves to flirt with the Turkic world and hold the Kurultai.
Personally, I think its fake. I dont know what is the truth, but I heard about some historical research which are stating totally different story. Like scientist found runic writings at Mesopotamia very similar to the hungarian. (Dont know if legit) And we learn that Finnsih language is very similar… but not. I think a lot of people were afraid of hungarian people in the past, and they just wanted to destroy and delete our history. Becouse people without history are weak. I hate conspiracy theories anyway…
It is a wierd situation what we hungarians are in. When we have acknowledged the cathiolic pope we had to destroy every written anything we had because it was labeled as “heretic”.
We dont know much about where we were before all i know is that according to our language structure we also had to live near the ural mountain for a long time, and we have some words from many different language groups. Like for example the concept of stone hauses was new to us when we came closer to europe so our word for it is similar to the germanic base haus in hungarian “ház”. But they say that some of our word are arabic that i cant confirm that those are older and mainly war related like “Szablya” for the sword with a curve in it. Many speculate that we had to be around arabic speaking places too and enough time had to pass for us to learn from them too.
Some our words are latin based and others god knows where we picked up or created.
Our really base words however are simple.
It is not impossible that hungarians were even there but i m not a professional historian i m more of a fan of history as i find it useful and interesting mostly.
It is very possible our ancestors are originally from the transural region and after a long journey they arrived where we are now. Does it matter we share the same blood after millennia of crisscrossing lands, mixed up with peoples on the way (and several times after we got settled)?
Language and other cultural aspects suggest our histories are intertwined somehow in the past.
In the meantime we adopted our finno ugric language and you still have your turkic one.
After a quick google about your cuisine I found out we both eating horse sausages so we are brothers, end of story 🙂
I think there must be some truth to Bahskirian-Hungarian relations, because in the myths, we learn about Hungarians kidnapping their wives – why wouldn’t they kidnap bashkirians?
The language is a very patchy one, we have our ugric roots (like Khanty), but there are many additional words, and grammar – for example there can be seen two distinct turkic language influences on the language, one before settling in the Carpathian basin, and one during the Ottoman occupation
We must be related, but that relation is so old, and diluted, only a few words, and a bit of genetics are the evidence for it.
In the middle ages Hungarians still lived in Magna Hungaria according to [Friar Julian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friar_Julian). Shortly afterwards the Mongol empire invaded and they were never heard from again. Safe to assume that they were completely eradicated or assimilated.
What kind of relations are you looking for? Cultural relations don’t exist. There was never any contact between the Hungarians of Europe and the Bashkirs. We both observe some vague and general Eurasian kinds of traditions, but that’s it.
Genealogical relations are meaningless over this timescale. Yes, 800+ year old common ancestors may exist between Bashkirs and Hungarians, but this can be said for pretty much any two people groups in Eurasia. After so many generations everyone is a distant relative of everyone else. Not to mention that it is impossible to actually find these relations due to the complete lack of written records.
[Patterns in genetics suggest some kind of similarity between Hungarians and Bashkirs.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarians#Ethnic_affiliations_and_genetic_origins) What does this mean? I have no idea. Molecular anthropology is not my strong suit. Take of it what you will.
Okay, so. First of all, when discussing Hungarian prehistory, it must be noted that the word “Hungarian” doesn’t appear for a very long time. The first source that mentions Hungarians is the *De Administrando Imperio,* written by Eastern Roman Emperor Constantine VII, written in the **middle of the 10th century**, which means that Hungarians were not living in “Magna Hungaria” by that time. Also, this source doesn’t use the name Hungarian, instead, it speaks of the *tribes of the turks,* however, it mentions the seven Hungarian tribes, which were Nyék, Megyer, Kürtgyarmat, Tarján, Jenő, Kér, Keszi. So, we do not have a contemporary source, and our first source is from Byzantium, who only knew Hungarians by second-hand tales and stories of traders and envoys who passed through the area.
Another important factor to consider is that according to steppe nomadic customs/tradition, the tribal coalitions were referred to by the name of the leading tribe, in this case, the Magyars. This means that from the 7 tribes, one was actually Magyar.
There is extensive historical research on this topic with interdisciplinary methods including history, archaeology, linguistics and ethnography among others. As of now, the most widely accepted theory among historians is that the Hungarians tribes (that arrived in the Carpathian basin) were of mixed Finno-Ugric and Turkic origin. Our vocabulary speaks a lot; the words that are most basic (like body parts and things related to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle) are mostly Finno-Ugric in origin, while the words regarding agriculture and war are often Turkic.
If you are interested in this topic, I can look up for you if the works of the leading historians (like Kristó, for example) are translated into English. I’m almost a historian (doing my Ph.D. in history right now), so I have my qualifications but it’s been a while since I’ve been active with Hungarian prehistory, so this is all I can remember from the top of my head right now.
To my knowledge, lands around the Don, Volga, Ural mountains and so were populated sparsely by many various tribe in history.
Nomadic tribes were wandering and fighting around all over. So I wouldnt give much thought about the historical origins of Hungarians.
Nem tom