The UK used to be known as the dirty man of Europe, looks like the tories want to go back to that. I live in the UK by the way.
4D chess: There will be nothing left for the French to fish
*Rule, Britannia! Rule the waves!*
*Britons never will be slaves.*
lmao
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This is an extremely unfair headline and article, there are definitely two sides to this story.
In short, in the UK rain run off and sewage very often end up in the same, sometime very old, sewage. There is a flow rate at which sewage treatment can handle the cleansing of the waste. This is the default behaviour the vast majority of the time.
When there is very heavy rain, then many times more volume enters the sewage system and the sewage treatment systems are just not specced to be able to cope with it so the spill safely into the sea. It’s worth nothing that in cases like these, the ratio of raw sewage to rain run off is going to be very high and is deemed low risk. (*Dilution is the solution to pollution*, yo!).
The point is this, if the sewers are not allowed to spill like this then they’d need to be massively uprated beyond a capacity that is considered normal, possible: yes, expensive: also yes. This is not the environmental catastrophe that the Guardian and the HufPo want to make it believe it is (~~Britain~~ England Bad!), and the fix would be very expensive for either tax payers or in our water bills.
EDIT:
Another reddit user who works in the industry, gave their insite in this comment:
I’ve seen plenty of British human waste in the canals in Amsterdam. They can’t help themselves.
In the rest of the world we eat it or something, apparently.
We’re going go release a shitnami tidal wave that will engulf europe and extinguish there shit flames forever.
It’s odd how a country can be so rich and enlightened and still threat their citizens like peasants from 2 centuries ago
As is every other country with Combined Sewage Systems, including most of Europe.
Probably better than peoples bathrooms and kitchens being flooded with sewage every time there is a storm.
How’s the regulations in EU?
From the /r/ukpolitics thread:
>So a little context on how sewage systems work might be useful (source, I design wastewater treatment plants for a living, however I am in Scotland so bits about the regulation might not be correct for England) – sewerage systems historically are combined systems that take sewage and rain water run off from the likes of road gullies.
>This causes a problem as the volume of rain water in a system can be many times greater than that of the actual wastewater from peoples houses and regardless of how big you design your sewage treatment plant to be, there will always be a storm big enough that it’ll get overwhelmed. Its also not economical to design them on the scale to deal with really bad, very rare storms.
>The regulator therefore requires sewage treatment plants to be designed to deal with flows up to a limit (its more complicated than this, but generally once you reach a flow that’s 6 / 9 / 12 times the flow you get if there was absolutely no rain you have an overflow straight to the river via a basic screen).
>The theory being once your at say 8 parts rain water to 1 part waste water (only a small portion of which is actual human waste) its dilute enough not to have major environmental impacts if released. There’s a similar overflow system in the sewage network which prevents the wastewater coming back out of people’s toilets.
>So you’re never going to be able to do away with all the overflows without replacing the entire sewer network to a sewage only system and doing something else with the rain water.
>I believe what the amendment in the legislation was actually doing was placing a requirement on water companies to show a reduction in overflows year on year (which could only have been a good thing) rather than just banning them completely (which as above wouldn’t be practical as this is going to take a very long time to fix!).
So is every country with a river, what’s the point here exactly.
Ireland ducks head and tries not to be noticed.
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JHC does the ‘civilized’ country not know about wet lands as a natural filter and eliminator of human waste?
Privatise a problem and no one will invest in a solution until the government mandate it. Lobby the government and it never becomes mandated. Then blame the climate change that other other lobbyists facilitated for the problem. Welcome to Britain, try to ignore the smell, it’s just raw sewage and institutionalised corruption.
Do they want to rediscover Colera in London? s
thats why they left the EU!?!?
That was happening before, but now nobody can fine us for it, so that’s a sort of win.
Who allowed Boris Johnson in the water?!
I thought you shouldn’t swim 30 minutes after fucking your country.
Anyone who trusts HuffPost <<<<
On behalf of Scotland (who overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU btw) sorry. We’re an embarrassment.
I’ll always consider Europe (over the United Kingdom) after Scotland as my home.
Ewww merda
Fittingly symbolic for the nation.
Patel’s Wall of Shit that protects us from sea-borne immigrants.
The problem will be telling who’s really brown as they race up the beaches, I imagine.
Fuck this shit, almost literally.
Another proof that Brexit is a success!
Smells like another Brexit
All countries does this to some extend. The practice is most common as the overflow backup in case of hard rain or modification to the sewage system. The amount this is done is usually depending on the specific city and age of the sewage system, since having seperated sewage and rainwater system reduces the need for sewage overflows.
Source: I’m an engineer and I’m currently working on a similar system in Denmark. On average, just for Copenhagen, sewage is dumped into the ocean 50 times a year. Sometimes it even flows over to the Swedish side of the strait.
Ah, tradition!
Not the UK downgrading to the level of China and the Philippines–💀💀💀
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> Untreated effluent, including human waste, wet wipes and condoms, was released into waterways for more than three million hours in 2020.
Taking *merde alors* to the next level. [BBC video](https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1452882664206311429) of untreated sewage being released into Langstone Harbour, Hampshire for 49 hours.
The UK used to be known as the dirty man of Europe, looks like the tories want to go back to that. I live in the UK by the way.
4D chess: There will be nothing left for the French to fish
*Rule, Britannia! Rule the waves!*
*Britons never will be slaves.*
lmao
[deleted]
This is an extremely unfair headline and article, there are definitely two sides to this story.
In short, in the UK rain run off and sewage very often end up in the same, sometime very old, sewage. There is a flow rate at which sewage treatment can handle the cleansing of the waste. This is the default behaviour the vast majority of the time.
When there is very heavy rain, then many times more volume enters the sewage system and the sewage treatment systems are just not specced to be able to cope with it so the spill safely into the sea. It’s worth nothing that in cases like these, the ratio of raw sewage to rain run off is going to be very high and is deemed low risk. (*Dilution is the solution to pollution*, yo!).
The point is this, if the sewers are not allowed to spill like this then they’d need to be massively uprated beyond a capacity that is considered normal, possible: yes, expensive: also yes. This is not the environmental catastrophe that the Guardian and the HufPo want to make it believe it is (~~Britain~~ England Bad!), and the fix would be very expensive for either tax payers or in our water bills.
EDIT:
Another reddit user who works in the industry, gave their insite in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/qf1pfz/fury_as_tory_mps_vote_to_allow_water_companies_to/hhynvo1/
I’ve seen plenty of British human waste in the canals in Amsterdam. They can’t help themselves.
In the rest of the world we eat it or something, apparently.
We’re going go release a shitnami tidal wave that will engulf europe and extinguish there shit flames forever.
It’s odd how a country can be so rich and enlightened and still threat their citizens like peasants from 2 centuries ago
As is every other country with Combined Sewage Systems, including most of Europe.
Probably better than peoples bathrooms and kitchens being flooded with sewage every time there is a storm.
How’s the regulations in EU?
From the /r/ukpolitics thread:
>So a little context on how sewage systems work might be useful (source, I design wastewater treatment plants for a living, however I am in Scotland so bits about the regulation might not be correct for England) – sewerage systems historically are combined systems that take sewage and rain water run off from the likes of road gullies.
>This causes a problem as the volume of rain water in a system can be many times greater than that of the actual wastewater from peoples houses and regardless of how big you design your sewage treatment plant to be, there will always be a storm big enough that it’ll get overwhelmed. Its also not economical to design them on the scale to deal with really bad, very rare storms.
>The regulator therefore requires sewage treatment plants to be designed to deal with flows up to a limit (its more complicated than this, but generally once you reach a flow that’s 6 / 9 / 12 times the flow you get if there was absolutely no rain you have an overflow straight to the river via a basic screen).
>The theory being once your at say 8 parts rain water to 1 part waste water (only a small portion of which is actual human waste) its dilute enough not to have major environmental impacts if released. There’s a similar overflow system in the sewage network which prevents the wastewater coming back out of people’s toilets.
>So you’re never going to be able to do away with all the overflows without replacing the entire sewer network to a sewage only system and doing something else with the rain water.
>I believe what the amendment in the legislation was actually doing was placing a requirement on water companies to show a reduction in overflows year on year (which could only have been a good thing) rather than just banning them completely (which as above wouldn’t be practical as this is going to take a very long time to fix!).
So is every country with a river, what’s the point here exactly.
Ireland ducks head and tries not to be noticed.
[removed]
JHC does the ‘civilized’ country not know about wet lands as a natural filter and eliminator of human waste?
Privatise a problem and no one will invest in a solution until the government mandate it. Lobby the government and it never becomes mandated. Then blame the climate change that other other lobbyists facilitated for the problem. Welcome to Britain, try to ignore the smell, it’s just raw sewage and institutionalised corruption.
Do they want to rediscover Colera in London? s
thats why they left the EU!?!?
That was happening before, but now nobody can fine us for it, so that’s a sort of win.
Who allowed Boris Johnson in the water?!
I thought you shouldn’t swim 30 minutes after fucking your country.
Anyone who trusts HuffPost <<<<
On behalf of Scotland (who overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU btw) sorry. We’re an embarrassment.
I’ll always consider Europe (over the United Kingdom) after Scotland as my home.
Ewww merda
Fittingly symbolic for the nation.
Patel’s Wall of Shit that protects us from sea-borne immigrants.
The problem will be telling who’s really brown as they race up the beaches, I imagine.
Fuck this shit, almost literally.
Another proof that Brexit is a success!
Smells like another Brexit
All countries does this to some extend. The practice is most common as the overflow backup in case of hard rain or modification to the sewage system. The amount this is done is usually depending on the specific city and age of the sewage system, since having seperated sewage and rainwater system reduces the need for sewage overflows.
Source: I’m an engineer and I’m currently working on a similar system in Denmark. On average, just for Copenhagen, sewage is dumped into the ocean 50 times a year. Sometimes it even flows over to the Swedish side of the strait.
Ah, tradition!
Not the UK downgrading to the level of China and the Philippines–💀💀💀