I’m going to start walking more slowly in case anyone thinks I’m rushin’
Tchaikovski must be gutted, just as he was about to make it big.
We need to get a handel on this anti Russian stuff.
Hmmm. Not sure about this one. Doesn’t Pyotr Ilyich belong to the world by now?
What a load of shit. How does this put any kind of pressure on Russia. Based on this, are we going to ban people from driving Volkswagens too?
> “Even though I’ve been dead for 125 years, honestly I have a massive stonking boner for Putin. Not a gay kind of boner you understand. The kind of boner a perfectly straight proud Russian feels for a perfectly straight proud Russian god like Putin. Honestly all of my musical work was written about him. I was especially proud of 1812 Overture, as obviously that refers to the year Putin has set back our economy and living standards to by launching this invasion. The best years. Hell even the romantic pieces I’ve written were about him. Although again it’s not the gay kind but more the romantic thoughts I have of him denazifying Ukraine. But honestly I love Lord Putin and support him 100% in all his endeavours”.
– A direct quote from Tchaikovsky according to Russian State Media, probably.
When the Russians played this while Napoleon was advancing, the song was so powerful that he got Blownaparte.
This is like the idiocy that went on during the world wars (both of them) when it was decided to boycott Beethoven and so on. Somehow depressing to find ourselves back here again at this moronic place.
See this kind of worries me. Anti-Russian hysteria is almost certainly going to be exploited by those who don’t have our best interests at heart.
We really shouldn’t let it happen. Especially not concerning a Russian who’s been dead for over a hundred years who’s music is beloved by millions all over the world.
It’s getting stupid now.
Did we ban all the American things when they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? No we didn’t.
I read somewhere that a restaurant that serves Poutine, got threats for supporting Putin
YES! I LOVE IT! GO GO UK, SHOW THEM HOW MUCH WE CONDEMN IDIOTIC REACTIONARY NATIONALISM! GET THE BADDIES, GET THE BADDIES IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE! I HATE THE BADDIES!!! I LOVE THE GOODIES!!!
I’m not sure we’ve gone far enough though. There are actual Russian nationals, and people of Russian descent, walking around in the UK right now. Time to show the Ruskies how much we detest their human rights abusing nationalism, and lock them up in camps to show them we mean business. Fire them from their jobs, boycott everything they do, lock them up…we really need to make them undersand how strongly we are opposed to the aggression toward, and suffering inflicted upon, ordinary Ukranians who are entirely innocent and who have done nothing to provoke the wrath of a hostile country.
But seriously, how can people not tell the difference between applying pressure to a hostile state by boycotting the parts of its economy and excluding it from the international community, and taking individual actions against unrelated Russians? In this case, one that was dead long before Putin existed. Somewhere cancelled Dostoevsky the other day, who served time in a fucking prison camp for resistance to the authoritarian regime of his day. This is really starting to give me vibes of the USA interning Japanese Americans during WW2. It’s blanket rage dressed up as justice, humanity’s worst impulses of pack behaviour masquerading as a noble struggle.
Pretty sure he wasn’t involved in the recent trouble
Crusade mentality. The whole inclusiveness mindset we got for the past 10 years are down the drain now. Racism is mainstream popular again. Yippie
Some people are completely missing the point, it seems.
We just going to pretend Russian culture doesn’t exist?
Even though I’m against Russias actions that isn’t going to stop me enjoying XS Project or any other music from Russia
An Italian university has removed Dostievsky (I know that’s spelt wrong) due to it, despite the fact that he himself spent time in a Tsarist gulag for going against the powers that be.
I’ve not seen this quote elsewhere, but in the Guardian the director of quoted explaining the decision further :
>Martin May, the director of the orchestra, explained the context behind the decision. In a statement he said: “A member of the orchestra has family directly involved in the Ukraine situation and we are trying to respect that situation during the immediate term. There were also two military themed pieces as part of the programme that we felt were particularly inappropriate at this time.”
>He added: “We were also made aware at the time that the title ‘Little Russian’ of Symphony No 2 was deemed offensive to Ukrainians. Whilst there are no plans to repeat the Tchaikovsky concert at the moment, we have no plans to change our summer and autumn programmes which contain pieces by Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev and Rimsky-Korsakof. So this is a one-off decision made with the best of intentions and there is no intention to exclude Tchaikovsky in particular. He is one of my favourite composers. We are aware that, whatever decision we made, it would not go down well, so we are stuck between a rock and a hard place.”
Play Tchaikovsky and remind Putin and the haters that he was GAY!
​
PS Banning Tchaikovsky is just stupid.
Ridiculous. We’re not against Russian culture or Russian people, both are fine and this is kneejerk bullshit.
And here I was thinking that discriminating against an entire group of people that have done nothing wrong based on the actions of other unrelated members of their culture/ethnic group/nation of birth was “racist”, and illegal…
This isn’t a blanket ban of Russian composers, it’s deeming the specific programme including the 1812 Overture, which is a celebration of a historical Russian military victory, inappropriate just now. Which it is.
This is ridiculous. This does nothing to support Ukraine nor put pressure on Putin. Rather than remove great Russian composers, why not try adding music from Ukrainian composers? I can admittedly only think of one off the top of my head (Mykola Lysenko), but there are bound to be others.
This feels about as petty as banning Tetris because it’s a Russian game.
This act feels like slipping into Russophobia. That is not a good thing.
It’s slightly less drastic than it sounds, they aren’t removing his music because he was Russian; they’re doing it because the pieces are Russian military pieces.
There are other Russian composers
That’s a mistake, I’m all for sanctions and us doing everything we can whilst not provoking a nuclear conflict, but this guy is long dead and hasn’t done anything wrong. All this does is feed into Putlers mantra that the world is russiaphobic.
So, recap, Covid = China but not all Chinese people, thats fine we shouldn’t blame random people based on their looks or assumed xountey of origin, its racism
Russian Invades Ukraine, but we can blame Russians who are long dead? Including those that are alive?
Sorry, fucking what?
But it was okay for stalin to kill millions of his own though.
The dude died 129 years ago during the time of the Tsar, are we really sure banning public domain music is going to help the situation?
I’m pretty sure Russia had a Royal family when he was alive and I don’t think Ukraine was a country back then. I suppose the 1812 Overture isn’t the best thing to play right now though. (in case The French are offended.)
We can’t just act like russia never existed and expect that to help.
Its like saying ignoring the Beatles will stop Boris
Well that will fuck old Putin he will not sleep tonight.
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I’m going to start walking more slowly in case anyone thinks I’m rushin’
Tchaikovski must be gutted, just as he was about to make it big.
We need to get a handel on this anti Russian stuff.
Hmmm. Not sure about this one. Doesn’t Pyotr Ilyich belong to the world by now?
What a load of shit. How does this put any kind of pressure on Russia. Based on this, are we going to ban people from driving Volkswagens too?
> “Even though I’ve been dead for 125 years, honestly I have a massive stonking boner for Putin. Not a gay kind of boner you understand. The kind of boner a perfectly straight proud Russian feels for a perfectly straight proud Russian god like Putin. Honestly all of my musical work was written about him. I was especially proud of 1812 Overture, as obviously that refers to the year Putin has set back our economy and living standards to by launching this invasion. The best years. Hell even the romantic pieces I’ve written were about him. Although again it’s not the gay kind but more the romantic thoughts I have of him denazifying Ukraine. But honestly I love Lord Putin and support him 100% in all his endeavours”.
– A direct quote from Tchaikovsky according to Russian State Media, probably.
When the Russians played this while Napoleon was advancing, the song was so powerful that he got Blownaparte.
This is like the idiocy that went on during the world wars (both of them) when it was decided to boycott Beethoven and so on. Somehow depressing to find ourselves back here again at this moronic place.
See this kind of worries me. Anti-Russian hysteria is almost certainly going to be exploited by those who don’t have our best interests at heart.
We really shouldn’t let it happen. Especially not concerning a Russian who’s been dead for over a hundred years who’s music is beloved by millions all over the world.
It’s getting stupid now.
Did we ban all the American things when they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? No we didn’t.
I read somewhere that a restaurant that serves Poutine, got threats for supporting Putin
YES! I LOVE IT! GO GO UK, SHOW THEM HOW MUCH WE CONDEMN IDIOTIC REACTIONARY NATIONALISM! GET THE BADDIES, GET THE BADDIES IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE! I HATE THE BADDIES!!! I LOVE THE GOODIES!!!
I’m not sure we’ve gone far enough though. There are actual Russian nationals, and people of Russian descent, walking around in the UK right now. Time to show the Ruskies how much we detest their human rights abusing nationalism, and lock them up in camps to show them we mean business. Fire them from their jobs, boycott everything they do, lock them up…we really need to make them undersand how strongly we are opposed to the aggression toward, and suffering inflicted upon, ordinary Ukranians who are entirely innocent and who have done nothing to provoke the wrath of a hostile country.
But seriously, how can people not tell the difference between applying pressure to a hostile state by boycotting the parts of its economy and excluding it from the international community, and taking individual actions against unrelated Russians? In this case, one that was dead long before Putin existed. Somewhere cancelled Dostoevsky the other day, who served time in a fucking prison camp for resistance to the authoritarian regime of his day. This is really starting to give me vibes of the USA interning Japanese Americans during WW2. It’s blanket rage dressed up as justice, humanity’s worst impulses of pack behaviour masquerading as a noble struggle.
Pretty sure he wasn’t involved in the recent trouble
Crusade mentality. The whole inclusiveness mindset we got for the past 10 years are down the drain now. Racism is mainstream popular again. Yippie
Some people are completely missing the point, it seems.
We just going to pretend Russian culture doesn’t exist?
Even though I’m against Russias actions that isn’t going to stop me enjoying XS Project or any other music from Russia
An Italian university has removed Dostievsky (I know that’s spelt wrong) due to it, despite the fact that he himself spent time in a Tsarist gulag for going against the powers that be.
I’ve not seen this quote elsewhere, but in the Guardian the director of quoted explaining the decision further :
>Martin May, the director of the orchestra, explained the context behind the decision. In a statement he said: “A member of the orchestra has family directly involved in the Ukraine situation and we are trying to respect that situation during the immediate term. There were also two military themed pieces as part of the programme that we felt were particularly inappropriate at this time.”
>He added: “We were also made aware at the time that the title ‘Little Russian’ of Symphony No 2 was deemed offensive to Ukrainians. Whilst there are no plans to repeat the Tchaikovsky concert at the moment, we have no plans to change our summer and autumn programmes which contain pieces by Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev and Rimsky-Korsakof. So this is a one-off decision made with the best of intentions and there is no intention to exclude Tchaikovsky in particular. He is one of my favourite composers. We are aware that, whatever decision we made, it would not go down well, so we are stuck between a rock and a hard place.”
Play Tchaikovsky and remind Putin and the haters that he was GAY!
​
PS Banning Tchaikovsky is just stupid.
Ridiculous. We’re not against Russian culture or Russian people, both are fine and this is kneejerk bullshit.
And here I was thinking that discriminating against an entire group of people that have done nothing wrong based on the actions of other unrelated members of their culture/ethnic group/nation of birth was “racist”, and illegal…
This isn’t a blanket ban of Russian composers, it’s deeming the specific programme including the 1812 Overture, which is a celebration of a historical Russian military victory, inappropriate just now. Which it is.
This is ridiculous. This does nothing to support Ukraine nor put pressure on Putin. Rather than remove great Russian composers, why not try adding music from Ukrainian composers? I can admittedly only think of one off the top of my head (Mykola Lysenko), but there are bound to be others.
This feels about as petty as banning Tetris because it’s a Russian game.
This act feels like slipping into Russophobia. That is not a good thing.
It’s slightly less drastic than it sounds, they aren’t removing his music because he was Russian; they’re doing it because the pieces are Russian military pieces.
There are other Russian composers
That’s a mistake, I’m all for sanctions and us doing everything we can whilst not provoking a nuclear conflict, but this guy is long dead and hasn’t done anything wrong. All this does is feed into Putlers mantra that the world is russiaphobic.
So, recap, Covid = China but not all Chinese people, thats fine we shouldn’t blame random people based on their looks or assumed xountey of origin, its racism
Russian Invades Ukraine, but we can blame Russians who are long dead? Including those that are alive?
Sorry, fucking what?
But it was okay for stalin to kill millions of his own though.
The dude died 129 years ago during the time of the Tsar, are we really sure banning public domain music is going to help the situation?
I’m pretty sure Russia had a Royal family when he was alive and I don’t think Ukraine was a country back then. I suppose the 1812 Overture isn’t the best thing to play right now though. (in case The French are offended.)
We can’t just act like russia never existed and expect that to help.
Its like saying ignoring the Beatles will stop Boris
Well that will fuck old Putin he will not sleep tonight.