I like the trust system in Germany, it’s very convenient not feeling well and just drop a message and back to rest.
Unfortunately even on the company I work, there’s people on sick leave because of “bad night of sleep”. People are really abusing and pushing the limits.
Edit: average sick days in Germany are 22 per person! This is crazy. 2 months per year. Highest numbers in Europe.
I hate this timeline. Don’t be like America. Germany you are better than this.
Did you read the article? Most doctors say there is no large scale “sick-faking”. It’s just big corporations doing big corporation stuff – they want it like in the USA. No show, no pay. Yeah, they wish…
I’ve heard how it works in Japan where you gotta take it out of your vacation days when you’re sick. That’s bad, and it’s one extreme. And Germany is the other extreme. There has to be something in the middle. I’ve worked in 5 companies in the past 15 years in Germany and in 3 of them I’ve been told first hand from employees that “Yeah I’m gonna call in sick, by boss is an asshole anyway and up to 3 days I don’t need doctor’s note”. That’s clearly theft, and there are people out there doing it and it’s basically encouraged with no doctor note not being needed for 3 days (in case of many companies). And when you do need a doctor note, it’s also not a big deal. I went to my Hausartzt once to tell her about the fact that from time to time I’m getting headache and whether it’s something to worry about (I told her that now I don’t have a headache, I just want to consult a doctor in case it’s something bigger). She said it’s nothing, and asked me how many days I need. Like, what?? I didn’t even ask for it, and she knew I’m fit to work…
I remember the first time i got sick. I could barely make it to the doctor and had to wait in line for hours- i was devastated when he told me i ccould not work for the next two weeks- i felt guilty and thought i would loose my job-1983. Now, I am glad that Germany takes care of its poor/sick
Why are people down voting this? It’s a good topic to discuss. Don’t downvote because you don’t agree with the topic. Discuss!
I also hope that Germany does not head in the direction the USA where corporations rule and the worker typically gets the shaft.
It is hilarious to see how many corporate bots are complaining on this post about being able to be sick and recover. Germany is great with this because it actually takes care of its citizens.
I’m out currently with acute bronchitis, which I got from a moron who came to work on Monday sick with bronchitis. Based on what I see from people on this post, I should be penalised for not coming to work with a 39.5 fever horrible cough, congested nose, shortness of breath, dizziness, etc, because a selfish prick, who could have stayed at home and recovered, came to work infected me and another colleague.
Germany is doing a great job taking care of its workforce, unlike some other countries (mine included). It actually allows you to stay at home if you are sick and recover without the stress of getting your salary docked or losing your job because you have fallen ill. Not to mention that the experts have clearly stated that there are no signs not evidence to support clear abuse of the system.
To those bots supporting the corporate leeches. If you don’t like it in Germany you know where the door is. Go to US for example and enjoy no healthcare and no salary when you’re ill and not at work. Since that seems to be what some people are suggesting in the comments section.
Honestly, it sounds like the administration of this would cost more than it benefits the company.
My company has about 2,000 people on campus. How many more people would the HR department need to hire just to dock one day’s pay from an employee who has called in sick? What would likely happen is that most people would accumulate a few days of overtime, so that the company just deducts 8 hours from their overtime and still has to pay them. And if they don’t get sick, then the company has to pay them for the additional days at the end of the year…
I see abuse of the Krankenmeldung all around Germany.
But this is not the solution.
The solution to this is the root cause which is the employee/employer relationship.
CEOs like this make me think maybe gulags were not such a bad idea /s
It’s also true that some practices abuse this system to get more patients through the door. When I lived in Oldenburg last, there was this one guy in Kreyenbruck they used to nickname Dr. Holiday (I wasn’t registered there, at the time I was a housewife). But I accompanied my ex one day who was struggling from burnout.. the doctor just asked everyone to line there krankenkasse cards on the desk while they just went through them and issued everyone sick notes one by one, quickly asking them what was wrong. People noted things like just being tired, headaches and things that aren’t really deemed worthy for taking time off, and even asked how much time they need off. I have never seen anything like this in my life since.
It was kind of wild because when I had a work injury, I was basically harassed by my superiors to not have so many sick days.. my kneecap was damaged and in need of an operation which I couldn’t get until 2 years later. I worked through half of that time at least before being barely able to walk and had enough and outright quit. If you’re a German and know the system this could be avoided. I just let it happen. I’m post op by a few months and my doctor told me to get a desk job, I have 10% cartilage and can expect a new knee when I am 50 🤣. People who are actually sick should allowed to be sick and recover full pay. It only results in prolonged sickness later in life.. and that costs the workforce, the economy.. everyone.
I come from Poland where short term sick leave gets only 80% of the regular pay and on top causes many people to lose their extras, and it’s normalised in there that people go to work with fever, strong cough or completely blocked nose and spread it among others. Yall really want that? Its already fucked up with people who travel around in public transport coughing without covering their mouths. We dont need offices being full of people who are barely standing straight
Now that’s some grade A bullshit. I’ve taken exactly 8 sick days in the last 11 years. This is just forcing sick people to come to work, making more people sick, and pikachu face when factories suffer and productivity drops because everyone got sick at work.
Where did all the comments disappear to?
As a senior manager I always encourage people to get healthy first and then get to work. As I got older realised time in office doesn’t always mean work done. A happy and healthy employee in my team will always make up for lost time and deliver high quality work. How do managers not see this. Even if there is one team member who truly abuses this, its not worth it losing productivity of others over this.
But business do not make the law, politician make the law. Ther are some good articles in german about the past under Helmut Kohl, for tow years it was allowed to cut the payment. But the unions fight it and at the and all union workers got full paid sick leave. Schröder took Office and canceled the law.
News like that are very common these days. Not long and we change from stagnation to going backwards.
“Bäte, the insurance CEO, recently proposed abolishing sick pay on the first day of symptoms. This could save €40 billion ($41 billion) per year, he claimed.”
You can absolutely fuck off, Bäte.
and I want them to shut up
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Things are effectively getting out of control.
I like the trust system in Germany, it’s very convenient not feeling well and just drop a message and back to rest.
Unfortunately even on the company I work, there’s people on sick leave because of “bad night of sleep”. People are really abusing and pushing the limits.
Edit: average sick days in Germany are 22 per person! This is crazy. 2 months per year. Highest numbers in Europe.
I hate this timeline. Don’t be like America. Germany you are better than this.
Did you read the article? Most doctors say there is no large scale “sick-faking”. It’s just big corporations doing big corporation stuff – they want it like in the USA. No show, no pay. Yeah, they wish…
I’ve heard how it works in Japan where you gotta take it out of your vacation days when you’re sick. That’s bad, and it’s one extreme. And Germany is the other extreme. There has to be something in the middle. I’ve worked in 5 companies in the past 15 years in Germany and in 3 of them I’ve been told first hand from employees that “Yeah I’m gonna call in sick, by boss is an asshole anyway and up to 3 days I don’t need doctor’s note”. That’s clearly theft, and there are people out there doing it and it’s basically encouraged with no doctor note not being needed for 3 days (in case of many companies). And when you do need a doctor note, it’s also not a big deal. I went to my Hausartzt once to tell her about the fact that from time to time I’m getting headache and whether it’s something to worry about (I told her that now I don’t have a headache, I just want to consult a doctor in case it’s something bigger). She said it’s nothing, and asked me how many days I need. Like, what?? I didn’t even ask for it, and she knew I’m fit to work…
I remember the first time i got sick. I could barely make it to the doctor and had to wait in line for hours- i was devastated when he told me i ccould not work for the next two weeks- i felt guilty and thought i would loose my job-1983. Now, I am glad that Germany takes care of its poor/sick
Why are people down voting this? It’s a good topic to discuss. Don’t downvote because you don’t agree with the topic. Discuss!
I also hope that Germany does not head in the direction the USA where corporations rule and the worker typically gets the shaft.
It is hilarious to see how many corporate bots are complaining on this post about being able to be sick and recover. Germany is great with this because it actually takes care of its citizens.
I’m out currently with acute bronchitis, which I got from a moron who came to work on Monday sick with bronchitis. Based on what I see from people on this post, I should be penalised for not coming to work with a 39.5 fever horrible cough, congested nose, shortness of breath, dizziness, etc, because a selfish prick, who could have stayed at home and recovered, came to work infected me and another colleague.
Germany is doing a great job taking care of its workforce, unlike some other countries (mine included). It actually allows you to stay at home if you are sick and recover without the stress of getting your salary docked or losing your job because you have fallen ill. Not to mention that the experts have clearly stated that there are no signs not evidence to support clear abuse of the system.
To those bots supporting the corporate leeches. If you don’t like it in Germany you know where the door is. Go to US for example and enjoy no healthcare and no salary when you’re ill and not at work. Since that seems to be what some people are suggesting in the comments section.
Honestly, it sounds like the administration of this would cost more than it benefits the company.
My company has about 2,000 people on campus. How many more people would the HR department need to hire just to dock one day’s pay from an employee who has called in sick? What would likely happen is that most people would accumulate a few days of overtime, so that the company just deducts 8 hours from their overtime and still has to pay them. And if they don’t get sick, then the company has to pay them for the additional days at the end of the year…
I see abuse of the Krankenmeldung all around Germany.
But this is not the solution.
The solution to this is the root cause which is the employee/employer relationship.
CEOs like this make me think maybe gulags were not such a bad idea /s
It’s also true that some practices abuse this system to get more patients through the door. When I lived in Oldenburg last, there was this one guy in Kreyenbruck they used to nickname Dr. Holiday (I wasn’t registered there, at the time I was a housewife). But I accompanied my ex one day who was struggling from burnout.. the doctor just asked everyone to line there krankenkasse cards on the desk while they just went through them and issued everyone sick notes one by one, quickly asking them what was wrong. People noted things like just being tired, headaches and things that aren’t really deemed worthy for taking time off, and even asked how much time they need off. I have never seen anything like this in my life since.
It was kind of wild because when I had a work injury, I was basically harassed by my superiors to not have so many sick days.. my kneecap was damaged and in need of an operation which I couldn’t get until 2 years later. I worked through half of that time at least before being barely able to walk and had enough and outright quit. If you’re a German and know the system this could be avoided. I just let it happen. I’m post op by a few months and my doctor told me to get a desk job, I have 10% cartilage and can expect a new knee when I am 50 🤣. People who are actually sick should allowed to be sick and recover full pay. It only results in prolonged sickness later in life.. and that costs the workforce, the economy.. everyone.
I come from Poland where short term sick leave gets only 80% of the regular pay and on top causes many people to lose their extras, and it’s normalised in there that people go to work with fever, strong cough or completely blocked nose and spread it among others. Yall really want that? Its already fucked up with people who travel around in public transport coughing without covering their mouths. We dont need offices being full of people who are barely standing straight
Now that’s some grade A bullshit. I’ve taken exactly 8 sick days in the last 11 years. This is just forcing sick people to come to work, making more people sick, and pikachu face when factories suffer and productivity drops because everyone got sick at work.
Where did all the comments disappear to?
As a senior manager I always encourage people to get healthy first and then get to work. As I got older realised time in office doesn’t always mean work done. A happy and healthy employee in my team will always make up for lost time and deliver high quality work. How do managers not see this. Even if there is one team member who truly abuses this, its not worth it losing productivity of others over this.
But business do not make the law, politician make the law. Ther are some good articles in german about the past under Helmut Kohl, for tow years it was allowed to cut the payment. But the unions fight it and at the and all union workers got full paid sick leave. Schröder took Office and canceled the law.
News like that are very common these days. Not long and we change from stagnation to going backwards.
“Bäte, the insurance CEO, recently proposed abolishing sick pay on the first day of symptoms. This could save €40 billion ($41 billion) per year, he claimed.”
You can absolutely fuck off, Bäte.
and I want them to shut up
Random guy on Reddit who makes 3k brutto a year: everyone but me is lazy!
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