Putin Would Demand Ukraine Never Join NATO in Any Trump Talks

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-15/putin-trump-talks-would-see-russia-demand-ukraine-cut-back-nato-ties

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  1. Russia will demand Ukraine drastically cut back military ties with the NATO alliance and become a neutral state with a limited army in any talks with incoming US President Donald Trump, according to people familiar with the matter.

    Increasingly confident he has the advantage on the battlefield in Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin is determined to achieve his goal that Kyiv never join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and that limits are placed on its military capacity, said the people with knowledge of Kremlin thinking who asked not to be identified discussing sensitive information.

    The Kremlin’s position is that while individual NATO members may continue to send arms to Ukraine under bilateral security agreements, any such weapons should not be used against Russia or to recapture territory, said one of the people, who is familiar with Moscow’s preparations for possible negotiations.

  3. > Russia will demand Ukraine drastically cut back military ties with the NATO alliance and become a neutral state with a limited army in any talks with incoming US President Donald Trump, according to people familiar with the matter.

    In other words, Russia wants Ukraine to sign an agreement that would result in very limited self defense capabilities so that Russia can invade them again at a later date.

    No, just no.

  4. If Ukraine is permanently frozen out of NATO then Russia will have won the war. That absolutely cannot be given as a concession to Russia.
    It’s time for NATO to stop being scared of Russia and draw a line in the sand on this issue. Ukraine must join NATO.

  6. He should demand to also give the nukes to Russia, oh wait

  7. If Russia can’t finish the invasion of Ukraine now, they want to be able to invade later when they rebuild their military and economy. That’s what this is all about. Ukraine should never accept this condition.

  8. Why on earth would Ukraine do that? And what agreements would Ukraine have that Russia wouldn’t continue to chip at away of more of their territories?? It’s like an abusive ex taking 30% of your house.

    I’ll admit I don’t follow much of the conflict and I’m probably a bit of dumbass when it comes to Geopolitics but all this will do is make Ukraine more resentful of Russia and destabilize Europe more.

    Every country has the right to control its own affairs and its own foreign affairs.

  9. That would be total capitulation and the abandonment of Americas allies

  11. Well, shock horror. Would never had seen that coming.

  12. Wasn’t there an agreement in place already where Russia wouldn’t attack if Ukraine gave up their nukes?

  13. Trump personifies weakness. Putin is going to play that moron like a fiddle.

  15. Putin can’t be trusted. Without a security guarantee by joining NATO there is no reason for Ukraine to agree to anything, it would be completely worthless since Russia’s word is always broken. Fighting on until Victory is the only option.

    In truth, Putin being untrustworthy is very dangerous for them. The only option is beating them or regime change to someone who can be trusted to honour their agreements. He seems to think it makes him stronger but it is a weakness and will lead to his downfall.

  16. >Putin Would Demand Ukraine Never Join NATO

    Ну і пішов він нахуй

  17. Why would Putin give Ukraine a reason to develop nuclear weapons

  18. If any peace talks result in a non-accession guarantee prohibiting Ukraine from joining NATO, Ukraine will be forced to adopt a nuclear arsenal as deterrence.

  19. So Trump wants to broker an agreement for Ukraine never to join NATO before pulling us out of NATO.

  20. It should be blatantly obvious to anyone that anything Putin wants of Ukraine is so he can always have the option to invade/take it over at a later date or at least have them as a puppet state to Russia. He knows once they are in NATO that option will forever be off the table. This is why he has so much angst about the Baltic states being in NATO but had relatively little reaction to Sweden and Finland joining. It has always been about what he sees as Russian land becoming untouchable, never to be Russian again.

  21. Let’s agree to it and then have them join anyway. Russia never holds their end of the bargain, time to flip the script on them

  23. “Burglar will demand neighbour never installs security systems”. Makes sense

  26. I think Ukraine should declare they’ll never join NATO, and stick to it just as much as Russia stuck to “if you give up your nukes you’ll never be attacked.”

  27. Agree to it and then have them join nato anyway. It’s exactly what the Russians would do.

  28. I expect this Putin demand will be entirely rejected. I see no way Ukraine can sign any agreement that limits their security and all but ensures Russia will invade again in the future. The only truth from Russia is that their treaty agreements are worthless.

  29. The only reason Putin would not want Ukraine to join NATO is because they will attack it again in the future.

  30. “We didn’t think you had the defenses to stop us. We will stop if you remove your defenses. We also promise not to attack again, but only if you position yourself to not be able to prevent that attack that totally won’t happen.”

  32. Russia doesn’t care about having NATO on the other side of Finnish border. Not even a squeak from them on that subject, but Ukraine joining NATO is completely different story.
    Do they think there is Finnish NATO, Polish NATO, Ukrainian NATO and one of those can attack them independently from the rest?

    There is no other reason for russians to demand Ukraine never to join NATO apart from planning to attack again in few years.

  33. Remember when they gave all the nukes back to Russia in the 90s? That was a contract which should protect Ukraine from any Russian invasion.

    So now we are here today.
    If I were Ukraine I would never sign and or trust a new contract with Russia for that reason.

  35. Let’s get them into the EU this year and strengthen the EU defensive pact. Make Trumps opinion on it irrelevant.

  36. I believe Ukraine should do this: promise to never join NATO and when the war is over, join NATO.

    Russia lies and deceives all the time. We should play that game too.

  37. No shit, if you didn’t know that already you’re not paying attention at all. Their goal is to absorb Ukraine completely, how can they do that if other countries are contracted to defend them. Russia knows they’re not powerful enough to take on a nato backed Ukraine. Look into The foundations of geopolitics by aleksander dugin, just read the Wikipedia. Russias political, economic, and military goals are all based upon that, and they’re succeeding. The disinformation campaigns in America, the divisiveness of our politics. This is one reason I don’t call all trump supporters idiots, because they are victims of misinformation and have been manipulated into fighting their battle. Much of the far left is also injected by Russian disinformation further perpetuating our political disarray, they’re playing both sides. The media indirectly supports the disinformation because they want money, and divisiveness gets views. Sadly, the wheel has been set in motion and the momentum will be difficult to stop.

  38. If he returns all the territory they took, I guess Ukraine could accept a EU defense agreement.

    But that is the problem. Russia doesn’t want to avoid having NATO expansion (us Swedes and Finland could join no problem). Putin just wants the old Soviet/Russian empire back😕

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