This is relevant to Scotland as Scotland is currently a part of Brexit Britain.
When it comes to Brexit, it’s been a shitshow. I don’t anyone could deny that. Incompetence and lies throughout the process and it’s not fully implemented yet. I also think Scotland hasn’t seen the same impact as England, so far I think we’re getting off fairly lightly in comparison. Whether that be in politics or business. The future doesn’t look all that bright right now.
Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster, it’s made things worse on so many levels. Biggest mistake this country has ever made, by far.
The article is part of a larger discussion that we need to have: about the outsize influence the British Media has, the sway that a minority of Little Englanders have in our first past the post electoral system and the spinelessness which pervades our politics.
We’re in a tough place and the willingness to break our society into ever smaller fragments is really damaging our future.
I think Starmer is right to take it very slowly. The malign forces which dragged us out of the EU are still there, slavering. The actions of Russian disinformation and Elon Musk are just another part of this.
It really doesn’t matter how many polls there are, it’s not happening again… at least not in my lifetime.
Brexit was a stupid idea which was executed even more poorly than anyone could imagine, it still hasn’t finished damaging the country, and there’s literally no opportunity for any net positive outcome from it now or ever.
But it isn’t being reversed. The current government aren’t even taking the low-hanging fruit of rejoining the single market and customs union, an easy win which would do some help to the UK’s terminal economy. Save a LibDem landslide at some point, and even then I’m still not sure, the chance of the UK seeking to rejoin the EU in the next 50 years is slim to none.
I had one of the most baffling interactions today with a lad I know who started talking about Brexit, so I just let him.
Mind he would’ve been in his 20s when the referendum happened. He says he voted to leave because of all of the carry-on around fisheries, because he has fishers in his family who he says were directly affected by French and Dutch trawling. The way he spoke was as though the impression he had, was Brexit had actually bettered his family’s situation in this pretty niche issue.
But now he’s saying he regrets it and he’d vote to rejoin and would even advocate for a federated European state “like the US”. I’ll need to ask him again because that is a hard swing. So much of the Brexit discussion was over a fear of ever closer union, and the fact that we wouldn’t have the opt outs we previously had if we rejoin.
Yet here we have a brexit voter now advocating not just for rejoining the single market & customs union, not rejoining on condition of opt-outs, not just rejoining the EU fully as it is, but wanting us to rejoin with a hope and an expectation that it would lead to ever closer union and a federated European state…
What? How do people even tick? How do you swing that fucking hard? I’m at a loss for words.
Plebgate
England is a laughing stock just like America. Full of ignorant bigots and populist racist rich people. The ignorant are voting fodder for the rich. Brexit is THE biggest financial con of the last 150 years.
All the tories mates got rich off that and covid.
Scotland is no better continuously voting to stay in the union.
A fool and their money are easily parted.
Hell no!
Hi guys, I’m from Romania, we have similar psyops here. Please understand that Brexit was a successful Russian psyop.
The center of european Russian disinformation campaigns is London.
If you want back, it would be great if you take a look at the banking system that hides the money of Russian oligarchs.
Good luck. Rejoining the EU would take quite awhile even if one assumes the UK would be welcomed back. Brussels will have more pressing priorities for the foreseeable future [e.g. Ukraine; migration; energy; political drift to the Right, etc.] than worrying about re-admitting the sclerotic, political and economic basket case that is the UK.
As has been stated many times before on here, for an iScotland there is no “rejoining” the EU – there is only “join”. Scotland was never in the EU, that was the UK. Thus, iScotland would have to follow the same accession process and comply with the Copenhagen Criteria, the Acquis, etc. and avoid a member state veto. There would also be the tricky problem of a hard border with a 3rd country – i.e. rUK. The NI/ROI border remains a major thorn and an iScotland/rUK border would be far more complex of a problem to solve. It’s one that the EU may not have the stomach for.
The UK fucked it. It had generous EU membership Ts & Cs and a seat at the big table. None of which, BTW, will be on offer in any rejoin scenario. Joining the EEA – subject to existing members agreeing which is by no means certain – may be the UK’s best bet in the short-to-medium term. Long term, who can say?
They don’t. Stop making stuff up.
Britain : the cat of Europe. In ? Out ? Fuckin’ choose !
The majority never wanted to leave. However, not enough of them chose to vote. That’s democracy.
Just look at the utter mess of brexit. Yet one of its enablers. Yes farage. His party is running up in the polls. What are people thinking 🤔. They must want more . Disaster politics from Reform ltd
The majority of us twho surpassed the reading/comprehensive level of a fucking 8 year old] never wanted to leave. I’m confused by this post…
Breturn already
I weep at what those flag waving morons brought us at the behest of those who saw an opportunity to build and secure their own financial stashes. Must be one of the biggest cons of the century and has cost the people billions 😢
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This is relevant to Scotland as Scotland is currently a part of Brexit Britain.
When it comes to Brexit, it’s been a shitshow. I don’t anyone could deny that. Incompetence and lies throughout the process and it’s not fully implemented yet. I also think Scotland hasn’t seen the same impact as England, so far I think we’re getting off fairly lightly in comparison. Whether that be in politics or business. The future doesn’t look all that bright right now.
Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster, it’s made things worse on so many levels. Biggest mistake this country has ever made, by far.
The article is part of a larger discussion that we need to have: about the outsize influence the British Media has, the sway that a minority of Little Englanders have in our first past the post electoral system and the spinelessness which pervades our politics.
We’re in a tough place and the willingness to break our society into ever smaller fragments is really damaging our future.
I think Starmer is right to take it very slowly. The malign forces which dragged us out of the EU are still there, slavering. The actions of Russian disinformation and Elon Musk are just another part of this.
It really doesn’t matter how many polls there are, it’s not happening again… at least not in my lifetime.
Brexit was a stupid idea which was executed even more poorly than anyone could imagine, it still hasn’t finished damaging the country, and there’s literally no opportunity for any net positive outcome from it now or ever.
But it isn’t being reversed. The current government aren’t even taking the low-hanging fruit of rejoining the single market and customs union, an easy win which would do some help to the UK’s terminal economy. Save a LibDem landslide at some point, and even then I’m still not sure, the chance of the UK seeking to rejoin the EU in the next 50 years is slim to none.
I had one of the most baffling interactions today with a lad I know who started talking about Brexit, so I just let him.
Mind he would’ve been in his 20s when the referendum happened. He says he voted to leave because of all of the carry-on around fisheries, because he has fishers in his family who he says were directly affected by French and Dutch trawling. The way he spoke was as though the impression he had, was Brexit had actually bettered his family’s situation in this pretty niche issue.
But now he’s saying he regrets it and he’d vote to rejoin and would even advocate for a federated European state “like the US”. I’ll need to ask him again because that is a hard swing. So much of the Brexit discussion was over a fear of ever closer union, and the fact that we wouldn’t have the opt outs we previously had if we rejoin.
Yet here we have a brexit voter now advocating not just for rejoining the single market & customs union, not rejoining on condition of opt-outs, not just rejoining the EU fully as it is, but wanting us to rejoin with a hope and an expectation that it would lead to ever closer union and a federated European state…
What? How do people even tick? How do you swing that fucking hard? I’m at a loss for words.
Plebgate
England is a laughing stock just like America. Full of ignorant bigots and populist racist rich people. The ignorant are voting fodder for the rich. Brexit is THE biggest financial con of the last 150 years.
All the tories mates got rich off that and covid.
Scotland is no better continuously voting to stay in the union.
A fool and their money are easily parted.
Hell no!
Hi guys, I’m from Romania, we have similar psyops here. Please understand that Brexit was a successful Russian psyop.
The center of european Russian disinformation campaigns is London.
If you want back, it would be great if you take a look at the banking system that hides the money of Russian oligarchs.
Good luck. Rejoining the EU would take quite awhile even if one assumes the UK would be welcomed back. Brussels will have more pressing priorities for the foreseeable future [e.g. Ukraine; migration; energy; political drift to the Right, etc.] than worrying about re-admitting the sclerotic, political and economic basket case that is the UK.
As has been stated many times before on here, for an iScotland there is no “rejoining” the EU – there is only “join”. Scotland was never in the EU, that was the UK. Thus, iScotland would have to follow the same accession process and comply with the Copenhagen Criteria, the Acquis, etc. and avoid a member state veto. There would also be the tricky problem of a hard border with a 3rd country – i.e. rUK. The NI/ROI border remains a major thorn and an iScotland/rUK border would be far more complex of a problem to solve. It’s one that the EU may not have the stomach for.
The UK fucked it. It had generous EU membership Ts & Cs and a seat at the big table. None of which, BTW, will be on offer in any rejoin scenario. Joining the EEA – subject to existing members agreeing which is by no means certain – may be the UK’s best bet in the short-to-medium term. Long term, who can say?
They don’t. Stop making stuff up.
Britain : the cat of Europe. In ? Out ? Fuckin’ choose !
The majority never wanted to leave. However, not enough of them chose to vote. That’s democracy.
Just look at the utter mess of brexit. Yet one of its enablers. Yes farage. His party is running up in the polls. What are people thinking 🤔. They must want more . Disaster politics from Reform ltd
The majority of us twho surpassed the reading/comprehensive level of a fucking 8 year old] never wanted to leave. I’m confused by this post…
Breturn already
I weep at what those flag waving morons brought us at the behest of those who saw an opportunity to build and secure their own financial stashes. Must be one of the biggest cons of the century and has cost the people billions 😢
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