Not enough Europeans who recognize the US as a rival
I think it’s more concerning that a quarter of Europeans think that Russia is a partner/ally
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I’ve always considered them an ally, but Trump is doing an amazing job on changing that.
I would be curious to see what Americans think about Europeans because their actions tell us they see Europe as Competition.
That’s less than Russians who say that of Chinese and vice versa. I think it’s one of the most startling results in this latest global ECFR poll.
I think it comes down to a perceived imbalance in power dynamics. What we need is a relationship of equals. That requires hard power.
When all of our forces—including those in Ukraine—are integrated, the EU will rank as the world’s second-largest military power. That would end the reliance on Washington and create an equal, more respectful relationship.
I mean, it is still by far the highest ranking country on this list, so I wouldn’t worry too much.
Non of these are mutually exclusive and can differ depending on topic. Politics is not that simple.
IMO there’s never anything beyond a necessary partner in geopolitics. That’s as good as it gets. I mean FFS there aren’t even real alliances in internal politics, let alone foreign ones.
USA is both necessary partner and rival for the EU at this point.
Soon, it could be just rival.
US has no allies. Only interests.
Russia has no allies, only puppets.
Because the US serves only the US. Especially with Trump in charge now. Ally is someone you can repy on who has your best interest in mind, not just their own.
That’s not the USA anymore.
Given the next president I’m surprised there’s even 21% who still see the US as an ally “that shares our interests and values”.
People not considering US an ally is hardly a surprise. They bully others to adopt whatever policies suits their fancy and regularly renege on promises it’s previously made. It acts like a bipolar schizophrenic, given how often the next president is hellbent on sabotaging any policies made by the last administration.
It’s true. Americans are very different to us, politically and culturally
Turkey’s score is quite high, well there is a difference between reddit and the normal world after all.
Btw which Europeans?
This seems extremely politically driven to me as someone who works in Eastern Europe bidding on government contracts. As I type the US is investing billions of dollars in the defense of Europe, doing more than any other European country does to aid things here. The group of firms I work with are bidding for contracts with a combined worth of $500 million in the coming months. That’s just a handful of projects.
Its insane to me that anyone in Europe can see the US as anything but an ally. The defensive security protection, training, assistance, and investment from the US over the last 70 years in Europe has helped us prosper in a way that changed the trajectory of the continent and helped us thrive. I can’t imagine what Europe would look like if we would have had to defend ourselves against a hostile world alone, while also trying to enjoy the same standard of living we enjoy today.
It seems to me that most successful Russian propaganda of the last 20 years is the idea that the US and Europe are not allies that share the same interests.
Can we get a link to this? What year was this conducted?
They fuck up the Middle East then leave us alone to handle the shit that comes. They deregulate their banking industry, create massive crisis that then contaminate our economies.
So yeah I am in the 79%. With friends like that who needs enemies.
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Without more detail about where these figures come from… I skeptical on thier validity.
Colour me surprised
I have switched from considering them an ally to a trading partner. Allies dont threaten each other wjth petty trade wars and disputes over an autonomous country
Norwegian here. I’m surprised it’s that high. The coming US president is threatening to take Europeans land by force, for Christ’s sake. What’s wrong with those people?
Neither us ,china or russia is our ally.
We as europeans should stop making ourselves dependent on these countries
American behaviour, namely in electing Republicans and especially Trump, makes it clear that USA can no longer be relied on as an ally. They are acting irrationally and picking fights with their allies and making threats like most recently against Canada and Greenland/Denmark, and also imperialist claims towards Panama and Mexico.
They are still an important partner as long as it stays on the level of rhetoric and doesn’t evolve into actual hostile action, but the American public has made it very clear where their priorities and interests lie, and Europeans should not fool themselves. I don’t think the alliance is lost quite yet (some old-school Republicans are still strongly pro-NATO and may be able to steer Trump and his lackies), but there is no doubt that that the Trump admin will even at best be irrational and unpredictable, and therefore unreliable.
By the way, something that I don’t think is discussed enough is for example American climate change action, or rather the lack of it, and how it relates to security. One of the largest security threats to Europe is climate-change induced mass migration from MENA, and yet Americans are happy to continue with having double the CO2 emissions per capita, and spread climate change denial, and elect a climate change denying president.
I am constantly told by Americans that Americans are much richer than Europeans. Why is it then that Europeans are willing to make sacrifices to combat climate change, yet supposedly richer Americans will foam at the mouth at the idea of having to make any sacrifice whatsoever to address climate change, even though they are richer and therefore can much more easily afford it?
Trump-led U.S. cannot really be an ally to anyone else but the American oligarchs the likes of Musk, Bezos, Zuckenberg etc
For the UK, I refer you to the Prime Minister’s speech in Love Actually, which was filmed in 2003 and caused absolutely no uproar whatsoever at the time or since – because it’s largely true.
America takes what it wants, gives little back, and then expects us to do everything for them because of the “special relationship”. It hasn’t ever been otherwise.
“I fear this has become a *bad* relationship…”
What would you call your permanently loud neighbor who keeps disturbing the neighborhood with his shenanigans, is drunk most of the time, doesn’t clean up after himself and gets into fights either the bloke from the opposite side of the street?
I have a hard time believing that, what’s the source?
This is more embarrassing for Europe than for America…
American ” values ” do not align with most European countries.
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Be interesting to see how it varies by country
Not enough Europeans who recognize the US as a rival
I think it’s more concerning that a quarter of Europeans think that Russia is a partner/ally
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I’ve always considered them an ally, but Trump is doing an amazing job on changing that.
I would be curious to see what Americans think about Europeans because their actions tell us they see Europe as Competition.
That’s less than Russians who say that of Chinese and vice versa. I think it’s one of the most startling results in this latest global ECFR poll.
I think it comes down to a perceived imbalance in power dynamics. What we need is a relationship of equals. That requires hard power.
When all of our forces—including those in Ukraine—are integrated, the EU will rank as the world’s second-largest military power. That would end the reliance on Washington and create an equal, more respectful relationship.
I mean, it is still by far the highest ranking country on this list, so I wouldn’t worry too much.
Non of these are mutually exclusive and can differ depending on topic. Politics is not that simple.
IMO there’s never anything beyond a necessary partner in geopolitics. That’s as good as it gets. I mean FFS there aren’t even real alliances in internal politics, let alone foreign ones.
USA is both necessary partner and rival for the EU at this point.
Soon, it could be just rival.
US has no allies. Only interests.
Russia has no allies, only puppets.
Because the US serves only the US. Especially with Trump in charge now. Ally is someone you can repy on who has your best interest in mind, not just their own.
That’s not the USA anymore.
Given the next president I’m surprised there’s even 21% who still see the US as an ally “that shares our interests and values”.
People not considering US an ally is hardly a surprise. They bully others to adopt whatever policies suits their fancy and regularly renege on promises it’s previously made. It acts like a bipolar schizophrenic, given how often the next president is hellbent on sabotaging any policies made by the last administration.
It’s true. Americans are very different to us, politically and culturally
Turkey’s score is quite high, well there is a difference between reddit and the normal world after all.
Btw which Europeans?
This seems extremely politically driven to me as someone who works in Eastern Europe bidding on government contracts. As I type the US is investing billions of dollars in the defense of Europe, doing more than any other European country does to aid things here. The group of firms I work with are bidding for contracts with a combined worth of $500 million in the coming months. That’s just a handful of projects.
Its insane to me that anyone in Europe can see the US as anything but an ally. The defensive security protection, training, assistance, and investment from the US over the last 70 years in Europe has helped us prosper in a way that changed the trajectory of the continent and helped us thrive. I can’t imagine what Europe would look like if we would have had to defend ourselves against a hostile world alone, while also trying to enjoy the same standard of living we enjoy today.
It seems to me that most successful Russian propaganda of the last 20 years is the idea that the US and Europe are not allies that share the same interests.
Can we get a link to this? What year was this conducted?
They fuck up the Middle East then leave us alone to handle the shit that comes. They deregulate their banking industry, create massive crisis that then contaminate our economies.
So yeah I am in the 79%. With friends like that who needs enemies.
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Without more detail about where these figures come from… I skeptical on thier validity.
Colour me surprised
I have switched from considering them an ally to a trading partner. Allies dont threaten each other wjth petty trade wars and disputes over an autonomous country
Norwegian here. I’m surprised it’s that high. The coming US president is threatening to take Europeans land by force, for Christ’s sake. What’s wrong with those people?
Neither us ,china or russia is our ally.
We as europeans should stop making ourselves dependent on these countries
American behaviour, namely in electing Republicans and especially Trump, makes it clear that USA can no longer be relied on as an ally. They are acting irrationally and picking fights with their allies and making threats like most recently against Canada and Greenland/Denmark, and also imperialist claims towards Panama and Mexico.
They are still an important partner as long as it stays on the level of rhetoric and doesn’t evolve into actual hostile action, but the American public has made it very clear where their priorities and interests lie, and Europeans should not fool themselves. I don’t think the alliance is lost quite yet (some old-school Republicans are still strongly pro-NATO and may be able to steer Trump and his lackies), but there is no doubt that that the Trump admin will even at best be irrational and unpredictable, and therefore unreliable.
By the way, something that I don’t think is discussed enough is for example American climate change action, or rather the lack of it, and how it relates to security. One of the largest security threats to Europe is climate-change induced mass migration from MENA, and yet Americans are happy to continue with having double the CO2 emissions per capita, and spread climate change denial, and elect a climate change denying president.
I am constantly told by Americans that Americans are much richer than Europeans. Why is it then that Europeans are willing to make sacrifices to combat climate change, yet supposedly richer Americans will foam at the mouth at the idea of having to make any sacrifice whatsoever to address climate change, even though they are richer and therefore can much more easily afford it?
Trump-led U.S. cannot really be an ally to anyone else but the American oligarchs the likes of Musk, Bezos, Zuckenberg etc
For the UK, I refer you to the Prime Minister’s speech in Love Actually, which was filmed in 2003 and caused absolutely no uproar whatsoever at the time or since – because it’s largely true.
America takes what it wants, gives little back, and then expects us to do everything for them because of the “special relationship”. It hasn’t ever been otherwise.
“I fear this has become a *bad* relationship…”
What would you call your permanently loud neighbor who keeps disturbing the neighborhood with his shenanigans, is drunk most of the time, doesn’t clean up after himself and gets into fights either the bloke from the opposite side of the street?
I have a hard time believing that, what’s the source?
This is more embarrassing for Europe than for America…
American ” values ” do not align with most European countries.
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