Netherlands grapples with painful past as WWII archives go public • FRANCE 24 English

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1. The choos have slaughtered a nation in the past – right down to the last man, woman and child.
   And a man who was innocent, that everyone knew was innocent, and, that man knew, that everyone knew that he was innocent, was put to death for standing up against injustice, for daring to criticize those in power.
   Also, a murderer, who everyone knew was a murderer, even the murderer admitted to being a murderer, was released.
   Was that not a hollocost too? Actually, how many hollocosts have their been? one? or more…
   Evil never apologises.

2. The Dutch made a major tourist attraction out of Anne Frank's house, and they turned her in. Somehow they still don't know who it was .😕

3. Thank you 🙏

4. I almost went 24 hours without hearing about the hall of cost

5. Remember it was the Judeo-Christian world that committed massacre in europe

6. So as soon as these archives were declassified, the names of the collaborators go on a database, to what end? Sounds like a posthumous death list to me.

7. Why classify them for so long?

8. Your ancestors have nothing to do with who you are as a person today. If you're a good person and a contributing member of society, nothing your ancestors may, or may not have done, actually matters. The fact that the government is still playing "privacy" games 80 years later, is only making things worse. Just release the information and be honest, hiding your history makes it look like you are doing something wrong. The "wrong" has already been done years ago, allow people today to learn the true history. Let's not forget that "if we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it". If the information had been released 20 years ago, all of this nonsense would have been over a long time ago. It's like a bandage, you have to just rip it off in one quick pull. It's much better than pulling a little bit at a time and feeling the long term pain and anxiety.

9. I wonder when France will do the same, it's amazing how many were in the resistance , AFTER the war 🤔

10. I commend countries with privacy laws. However, pass a new law that makes it legal to release documents about any person who was involved with the Nazis or war crimes. Why would a Nazi be entitled to privacy? That makes sense to me.

11. People did what they had to do to survive, sometimes it was noble, sometimes it was evil.

12. You all ought to read Ajax, the Dutch, the War: Football in Europe During the Second World War. Eye opening to say the least.

13. In 1941, there were 75 000 NSB'ERS in the Netherlands

14. Shame to the Netherlands…

15. Get over it. People didn't have a choice.

16. Maybe france will release all the data on GI rapists next..

17. A lot of people HAD to be members of the National Socialist party to keep a job. I’m pretty sure for example that only NS members could be teachers etc. It doesn’t mean they were rabid Nazis.

18. Some of locals in occupied country colaborated with Nazis? I am shocked…Not!

19. People certainly can and should be ashamed of their ancestors if they did wrong, just as they can be proud of them. No one expects people to take responsibility for ancestors, but if they did shameful things you should be ashamed. Hopefully it would provide motivation to do better.

20. Its laughable that there worried about the truth. One of the very problems of the period that contributed to this awful time of history. The alloted time has past, so release the information!

21. Oy vey!!! Dont ruin the numbers…

22. If people truly resisted evil, we would not have the problems over the world in schools,workplaces, and more. How do you respond to those who commit acts as bullies on buses, in restaurants, and more?
    So ask yourself how would you respond if the country you are in ends up being on the line of the enemy and decides that this group or that is unacceptable.
    Collaboration will occur. If a mother wants to feed her children and she is alone. What would you do?

23. They've learned nothing. In November the Dutch had a full pogrom on Jews in the streets of Amsterdam.

24. Visit the Jewish Museum and the Gestopo Museum in Amsterdam. You will be horrified how the survivors were treated.

25. Dutch Royals first to be exposed.

26. "Netherlands grapples with painful past"
    Really? No.
    We deal with this unpleasant part of our past like we do with most things, directly and head-on. It is all quite more heterogeneous than 'having been on the wrong side of the fence´.
    The criminals were dealt with some 80 year ago. What is left now are mainly suspected collaborators, opportunists and misguided souls. We take notice and move on.

27. There were a lot of collaborationists in Europe in WW2 France had loads of them. Ironically there were high ranking Germans who were NAZIs that worked against the NAZI regime.

28. As granddaugther of a woman who has been tormented by nazi regime in Poland I feel so deeply touched by the concern of privacy protection of people who might appear in this archive as crime against humanity perpetrators and still be alive. It's speaks volume of all countries in europe sharing the same core values, such a mark of high level of civilization indeed. Surely my granny as an 8 year old did not deserve her fragile personality to be protected from getting to know the worst part of personality such individuals that may still be alive got to display to citizens of my own country inside war camps for children built on our own land by everyone who was happy to invade Poland alongside with nazi Germany. Sounds just lovely. Cannot wait for the rules of this country to ever try to lecture my country on moral standards or ethics or legal issues or on how to be civil within EU in a foreseeable future.

29. The world needs to know about these people who committed these horrible crimes. It's ashamed that those families are hiding this information about their past relatives.

30. No we don't. We don't grapple with it. It not us who are guilty.

31. Let
    it
    GO!

    It happened 80 years ago. Nobody is alive from that era.
    No need to keep alive the bad memories.
    It is ONLY a stroy from a history book!!!!! Like ANY OTHER historical event!!!

32. They will be replaced by religion of peace soon, so doesn’t make any difference

33. If a forensic audit of this whole period in history had taken place decades ago, then what's just happened in the Middle East would have been avoided. Joining a socialist party doesn't make someone a mass murderer, and just releasing names isn't enough to justify why we can't question certain events. Given that the 'official' version of events seem physically impossible to have taken place given the lack of evidence.

34. does anyone have the internet link to that list?

35. You imagine if they did this in france if they was recorded

36. Seems like they are doing this the right way. Release the information, but do not make it easy for computers to anaylize the data

37. It’s the only way to get the record straight. To have the younger generation read the facts

38. I'm not sure if anyone learns from their mistakes.

39. Shame, shame, shame, of what happened there. I grew up with my Dutch neighbors whose parents had Tattoos on their arms, from Auschwitz. They were the kindest neighbors. I don't blame them for never returning to their homeland.

40. Now they did again.

41. All the Crowns around the world are collaborators in a cult/cartel. You are being fooled.

42. The Netherlands had one of the higher number of Jewish citizens sent to extermination and concentration camps. They had the least amount among the nations of returned, concentration inmates, lots of collaborators. Each nation needs to learn from its past history, each has a unique opportunity to prevent history from repeating itself.

43. These files should be fully available the only reason you're not letting them be is to protect people who are on the wrong side

44. Many Dutch immigrants arrived in my home country of New Zealand in the years after WWII. We thought we were getting people with essential trade skills to help rebuild the New Zealand economy after WWII. It was soon discovered that many had been German collaborators during WWII. Many of these Dutch immigrants were ostracised by New Zealanders.

45. unfortunately, todays generation of europeans wants to pretend this isn't part of their legacy. so, its bound to repeat one day.

46. Just remember it is not your fault.

47. No one
    Absolutely no one should carry/bear/drag the cross of shame of the past of a bygone era. Specially when you were not the part of the history of the time of its making.
    Come out of guilt and shame of your generation which lived 100 years ago.

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