Since they are talking about mortality rates, I assume they compare the probability to die from it _in case_ you’re already infected, right? You could also compare the probabilities to get infected and then die. Here the difference should even be larger because the vaccine protects you from infection.
>>Between 2 January and 24 September 2021, the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals.
>Problem is, although I’m sure it’s “technically true”, 80% of all deaths in that period occurred in the first 2 months of it. At the end of those 2 months, less than 2% of the UK was fully vaccinated. So a huge amount of the risk was faced solely by unvaccinated individuals, purely as a matter of timing.
>Without going to the level of reverse calculating all their calculations, if you look at the graph given in section 3:
>you can see that if you’re comparing deaths amongst fully vaccinated (area under green line) to deaths amongst unvaccinated (area under blue line), you see in the last 2 months the difference is about 8 to 1 (I’m eyeballing it, it might be 10 to 1), but the difference in those first 2 months is immense.
>To my mind, the statistic that actually matters, now, is the risk ratio now. And if you use the data they give in figure 1 for the week ending 24-Sep, the upper confidence level for unvaccinated mortality is 6.7/100k/week, and the lower confidence level for vaccinated mortality is 1.0/100k/week.
>So right now, the ratio is at most 6.7 (and if you take the central points instead of upper/lower levels) the ratio is 5.4/1.1 = 4.9.
>And of course 4.9 means we’re still looking at very big reductions in deaths, it clearly shows the vaccines are working. But it’s not 32.
Antivaxers: yeah but like I read this one article on Facebook reposted from ‘ThE ReaL TruTh.com’ that said that people who get vaccinated are 666 times more likely to buy windows
Who is this news article for ?
The vaccinated already got vaccinated,
and most who aren’t vaccinated by now don’t care.
Only 32 times? I’m going to need to be at least 35 times safer to take the 5 minutes out of my day to get vaccinated, thank you.
That this is actually a news story makes me weep for humanity.
As we say here
E grazie al cazzo
Who the fuck cares, why these fucking news are still being made? Or why are they being speard by some fucking retards ?
Let’s see those rates for healthy people below the age of 40. I’m vaccinated but let’s not pretend covid is particularly dangerous unless you’re old or fat or immunocompromised.
Any publications that don’t take into account underlying risk factors and report accordingly are garbage.
~~Un~~vaccinated people ‘32 times more likely to ***NOT*** die’ from COVID ~~than fully- jabbed~~
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Since they are talking about mortality rates, I assume they compare the probability to die from it _in case_ you’re already infected, right? You could also compare the probabilities to get infected and then die. Here the difference should even be larger because the vaccine protects you from infection.
Edit: Actually, one can calculate this. The global efficacy of vaccines against the delta variant is [estimated](https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210927/COVID-19-vaccine-effectiveness-barely-affected-by-Delta-variant-research-suggests.aspx) to be at 84% which means that vaccined people are 6,25 times less likely to get infected.
So, vaccinated people are
6,25×32=200
times less likely to get infected and then die.
>>Between 2 January and 24 September 2021, the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals.
>Problem is, although I’m sure it’s “technically true”, 80% of all deaths in that period occurred in the first 2 months of it. At the end of those 2 months, less than 2% of the UK was fully vaccinated. So a huge amount of the risk was faced solely by unvaccinated individuals, purely as a matter of timing.
>Without going to the level of reverse calculating all their calculations, if you look at the graph given in section 3:
>https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021#weekly-mortality-rates-for-deaths-involving-coronavirus-covid-19-by-vaccination-status
>you can see that if you’re comparing deaths amongst fully vaccinated (area under green line) to deaths amongst unvaccinated (area under blue line), you see in the last 2 months the difference is about 8 to 1 (I’m eyeballing it, it might be 10 to 1), but the difference in those first 2 months is immense.
>To my mind, the statistic that actually matters, now, is the risk ratio now. And if you use the data they give in figure 1 for the week ending 24-Sep, the upper confidence level for unvaccinated mortality is 6.7/100k/week, and the lower confidence level for vaccinated mortality is 1.0/100k/week.
>So right now, the ratio is at most 6.7 (and if you take the central points instead of upper/lower levels) the ratio is 5.4/1.1 = 4.9.
>And of course 4.9 means we’re still looking at very big reductions in deaths, it clearly shows the vaccines are working. But it’s not 32.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/qkh9oe/ons_deaths_involving_covid19_by_vaccination/hiwpzun
Antivaxers: yeah but like I read this one article on Facebook reposted from ‘ThE ReaL TruTh.com’ that said that people who get vaccinated are 666 times more likely to buy windows
Who is this news article for ?
The vaccinated already got vaccinated,
and most who aren’t vaccinated by now don’t care.
Only 32 times? I’m going to need to be at least 35 times safer to take the 5 minutes out of my day to get vaccinated, thank you.
That this is actually a news story makes me weep for humanity.
As we say here
E grazie al cazzo
Who the fuck cares, why these fucking news are still being made? Or why are they being speard by some fucking retards ?
Let’s see those rates for healthy people below the age of 40. I’m vaccinated but let’s not pretend covid is particularly dangerous unless you’re old or fat or immunocompromised.
Any publications that don’t take into account underlying risk factors and report accordingly are garbage.
~~Un~~vaccinated people ‘32 times more likely to ***NOT*** die’ from COVID ~~than fully- jabbed~~
Why all of the extra nonsensical bullshit????