Shock as German conservatives open door to cooperation with far-right

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shock-german-conservatives-open-door-202912685.html?guccounter=1

by MichaelW85

48 comments

  4. I won’t state the historical obvious but I will say this, and it’s something every country in the Western world is presently dealing with: The Far Right will keep pressing forward until those with healthier beliefs ask themselves **why** people are voting for them.

    The answer to that isn’t simply xenophobia, if it were that simple this wouldn’t still be a problem. There is a crisis of belonging and a crisis of meaning among many, many people. That, coupled with the cost of living crisis is a disaster waiting to happen if it’s not managed better. We can’t just keep putting band aids on open wounds and putting our fingers in our ears. We have to find a way to appeal to peoples loneliness and sense of isolation because the Far Right are experts at it.

  5. Conservatives getting into bed with far-right

    Who could ever see this coming……

    Shocked I tell ye, shocked……….

  6. Its kinda clickbait. Its not about forming a goverment or something. Its about pushing laws in the Bundestag even with AfD votes.

  7. For some context, it is a long-standing tradition that Bavaria is a CSU stronghold, and as such, they make their own policy on anything not federal. What Merz is doing here is trying to stay relevant on the national stage?

  9. I believe that there will be a three-party coalition between CDU +SPD+Greens. Despite the differences, they will have enough votes to ignore the AfG and BSW, and be quite stable.

  10. They say it is only and hand, then it is the arm, then you have drowned in the right wing Nazis.

    The right/conservatives/ always join forces with the far-right if needed, is anybody surprised?

    (Or they move so far right they become far right themselves.)

    Just don’t vote any party who is even willing to entertain the idea of collaborating with Nazis.

  11. Remember that Union which is CDU and CSU is already a quite a bit more right than most think. CSU have some opinions which are quite close the AfD.

  12. Oh no! It’s going to happen again!

    This is why learning and understanding history is important, you can’t make compromises when the other party doesn’t believe in compromising.

  13. ~~History repeats itself, the conservatives are going to help the nazis get into power YET AGAIN.~~

    ~~Have we learned nothing?~~

    Is what I would say if I didn’t take a look at the article. This is not even news worthy, really. The CDU’s proposals have already been supported by AfD’s votes previously. They don’t care, as long as they are in power, classic conservatives.

  14. sorry, thats bullshit.

    After the latest immigrant Knife murders, this time in Aschaffenburg, Merz (conservative leader) basically said he will put a motion up for vote next week that includes a tougher migration stance on all levels, and (his words) he would not care who supports it or not.

    Of course our favourite swiss lesbian nazi leader Weidel jumped on that, trying yet again to envoke similarities and even declared the infamous “Brandmauer” has fallen – with lots of help from the liberal parties, who have been saying Merz would fold anyway for months now.

    The reality is that there will be no cooperation and no coalition with the AfD, Merz has been clear on this, the majority of the CDU is clear on this, and conservative voters are clear on this.

    Merz explicitly put this up as a “common ground” motion, hoping that all parties join in and finally get something going. The AfD might vote for it next week or it might not, it cant pass without other parties joining in too.

    The hysteria about “cooperation” is nothing new, its just reaching a new fever pitch right now, as Merz gambles that this move could get him AfD voters back, with SPD and Greens screeching in the background about “literally 1933” and I have to remind everyone that all of this is 100% election campaign bullshit. “cooperation” as they call it is happening all over Germany, on the local level, all the time. When you vote to build a playground somewhere and AfD votes yes too, thats what these people call “cooperation.” make of that what you will

    edit: and as to prove his point, Merz just now announced that he sent the documents with the proposed bills to all the other parties, EXCEPT the AfD, making it super duper explicit that he looks to work on this in a broad, democratic coalition.

  17. People are already replying “it’s clickbait!!! It’s just voting alongside the AfD on immigration issuess, it’s not that bad!!!”
    Meanwhile AfD & Alice have already made tweets celebrating “the collapse of the firewall”.

    Paint it however you want, but the German Far-Right is rejoicing. And in the same day Elon Musk came to tell them to “stop feeling guilty for their past”. Congratulations.

  18. Dutch neo-con party VVD tried this and it lost them the election last time. It signalled to people that the far-right party has a chance to govern.

  19. Is the shock in the room with us? This man was never to be trusted

  20. at some point you got to get your head out of your ass, realize that the AfD has steadily been gaining votes for what? 10 years now? this isnt a development that happened from one day to the next. its just that you kept ignoring the problem that kept gaining them votes.

    because the mass migration thats been going on, the crimes and problems that come with it have been more unpopular than you want to admit, and its their strongest talking point and the reason why they keep gaining.

    yea, you can keep shrugging shoulders, trying to ignore the elephant in the room, keep telling the voters they have the wrong opinion (that one always works well, lol), pretend that the problems dont exist and keep watching them gaining votes. or you can admit that you finally need course correction on the migration policies and reforms if you dont want to get voted out.

    also outlawing them doesnt change the reason why theyve been gaining votes either. if anything it plays into their hands. getting rid of political opponents is usually how autocratic systems work and not healthy democracies and it would gain them even more followers just under a new name.

    if you dont want the AfD gaining more power, then you need to take a step back and re evaluate your own policies and finally make a change.

    and i think this is what the CDU is doing here. theyre taking their role as the traditional conservative party (that they never should have given up) and offer a harder course of action on migration to offer voters SOMEONE else to vote instead of the AfD in terms of migration reforms.

    the crazy part is, when it comes to migration reforms the points on the AfD agenda are actually perfectly reasonable. its just literally everything else thats completely unhinged. like they want to suck up to putin like crazy and their energy reforms theyve planned are just as stupid as the greens and SPD initiating the shut down of the nuclear plants 20 years ago. the AfD wants to go the opposite extreme and phase out renewables again in exchange for coal and fossil again.

  21. I have no idea who the hell to vote for, it feels like a no win scenario at this rate. 

  22. Hasn’t this idiot been paying attention to what happened in The Netherlands when the cordon sanitaire was lifted? Unbelievable.

  23. If you find this “shocking” you don’t understand how conservatives work.

  26. Finally the so called “conservatives” got enough doctors and enginers ?

  27. I literally can’t see they difference between conservatives values/views and right wing values/views Any more.

  28. We have so many actual problems in this country and all they can do is finding the next best scapegoat and people are eating it out of their hands. It’s a shame how stupid most people are

  29. Thats a mistake. In the netherlands the VVD made the same mistake saying they would consider working with the pvv. By doing so a lot more people voted pvv because they thought they could be in the coalition.

  30. Reminder that the German center right wanted to ban AfD a few months ago.

  31. Conservatives working with fascists isn’t shocking at all. They’re halfway there with their ideology anyway. They think and act in a similar way.

  32. Welcome back Zentrum, when do we get the Enabling Act ready for ya?

  35. That would be a bad mistake. Same happened in Germany in the 30’s and in NL recently and it totally wrecked everything.

  37. Glad to see anti-immigration is becoming more and more mainstream. It has been a colossal failure for Europe and badly needs to be cleaned up.

  40. The liberal right party in the Netherlands did the same. The result? More people voted far right. You cannot normalise extremism, that can and will bite you back. 

    And that far right party isn’t even remotely as bad as AfD is. Are they really that crazy in Germany right now? That economy can’t take another extreme conservative period. I even doubt the US will be able to bounce back from Trump putting all eggs in the oil basket again. 

  41. I don’t get it. They are seriously considering AfD instead of SPD?

    Why is it that democratic forces in the West tend to cancel each other out for relatively minor differences on economy or social issues when the other iliberal side is literally questioning the fundamental constitution of our societies?

  42. Mankind is about to completely throw off the shackles of Marxism. Pay attention and participate.

  43. Trying it right now in Sweden. As expected it is not working very well for us. Simple solutions to complex problems combined with further enrichment of the already wealthy is not a foundation on which to build a country. And the opposition seems more or less paralysed. Sad times. Please learn from us and don’t try it at home.

  44. By “shock” I can only guess we mean the Pikachu surprised face.

  45. why would we be shocked the german conservatives are far-right themself…

  46. Same thing in Portugal with PSD (the “Social-Democrat” Party, who have been neoliberals and Christian nationalists from their very beginning but hide under a moderate facade) who are now in government saying they won’t collaborate with Chega (outspoken extreme-right party which is mostly made up of former PSD members, lmao) but are enforcing most of their proposals and narrative. But whenever they get called out for it, they call any critic “far-left extremists”.

  47. People who claim it’s not taht abs because it’s only on a few issue underlay the problem. Voting with them at all undermines the firewall! It also legitimate them as they get only passed the shit you agree with them on, not their bad policies taht would get people actually mad …

  48. When I see a push for left vs right conflict on the media, I am reminded economic hardship is coming. It’s been an effective method to distract the masses from their stark reality and to rally them for wars.

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