The Balkans are rising up it seems.Student protests and general strikes in Serbia,Croatia,Greece,Slovakia and talks about protests in Bosnia over people being killed in the floods.I hope this leads to something.
After new evidence emerged that proved people survived the initial crash but died from an inexplicable explosion and fires right after (most likely theory right now is that the train illegally carried chemicals or other highly flammable materials). And after the massive attempts from the government to conceal a lot of information about the event, protests have erupted all across the country.
If they don’t go in prison, I hope they go 2 meters below the earth.
I am really curious as to how the media will manage to downgrade it.
There was a law that with more than a million signatures (we are 10 m) a popular request can be officially enforced. The Tempi political investigation petition was signed by 1,5 m iirc and the government still refused, justifying this by some technicalities (law not being enforced, the online platform etc). The resignation of the minister, without him not even being deleted by the party and even more being reelected, is laughable. The prime minister publicly and shamelessly claimed in the media the same day that it was the fault of the employee (!), as if any investigation had happened, while the automatic safe control systems didn’t work etc. The investigation and the media coverage are purposely shunned by the government.
Edit: the one that personally angers me the most, is that some weeks before the accident an opposition mp asked in parliament the minister about the inadequate safety in trains. The minister raised his finger and replied with arrogance “How dare you question the safety of our trains?”. In the site the morning of the tragedy he announced his resignation shedding crocodile tears.
The protest is for the cover-up by our Government on how the 57 people (there are at least 2 more that have “vanished”) died.
It’s not only about a train crash.
-Employees warned that the trains are not safe
-The gov lied about the safety of the railroad
-The crash happens and a lot of people died from fire/explosion from some sort of fuel, that shouldn’t exist
-The gov immediately covered up the evidence before the investigation.
-They didn’t let employees of the railroad company tell that the trains were not safe(in front of the camera, they stop the guy from speaking)
-The minister whines, why should he lose his position because of a train crash(he was the one that lied).
-Another minister says that if he didn’t lie, people wouldn’t use the trains
-In the news, the only thing that they say is that it was not the gov’s fault.
-Ministers say that the families of the victims should stop talking about it, no one cares anymore.
-They attack family members that try to speak, saying that the they are doing it for political reasons.
-The prosecutors son disappears. No one knows were he went. The prosecutor withdraws from the case.
I may have missed something
ΈΓΚΛΗΜΑ.
Hopefully this is a wake up call for us Greeks to be more politically active. Unbelievable that this government was elected despite fucking up left and right
Οχι!
We need to end corporate bribery and political corruption!
Good work Greek people!
New accident?
Or the one a few years ago?
Man you got to hand it to the Greeks, they stay protesting
We need to start voting. And not the same 3 mainstream parties.
While there is another scandal in turkey every day and the government keeps increasing their votes.
Everytime I speak about the corruption of the Greek government with a Northern European, they cannot comprehend the extend of it. Especially the corruption of the ruling family, is beyond imagination. And no, “voting them out” like we are in Denmark does not work. Just in the 15 past years we had blatant undemocratic practices.
In 2011 when the elected PM, George Papandreou, said he cannot pass the austerity measures proposed by the EU and the IMF and we should go to a referendum, PASOK(the then ruling party) and ND(the currently ruling party) overthrew him and planted an unelected ECB employee as the Prime Minister. He went on to pass the laws proposed by the IMF and EU, as an, I repeat, unelected Prime Minister.
The Greek public dissilusioned by the two big parties, turned to SYRIZA, a far left party which up to this point was barely getting 3%. In 2015 SYRIZA along with ANEL(right wing/patriotic party) get voted to form a government under the promise that they will actually negotiate with the EU and IMF, and not “sign whatever they give us without reading it” as Chrysochoidis(minister of multiple governments and the current one) famously has said. After 6 months of negotiations, PM Alexis Tsipras says that he cannot take the responsibility of such a decision and we should go to a referendum. The referendum results are clear, 60% or 3.500.000 votes(no governement in the 191 years of the Greek state has ever gotten 3.500.000 votes,) decide to DECLINE the austerity measures. In one night, the parliament except KKE(communist party) and Golden Dawn(fascist party,) overturned the result of the referendum and passed the laws. SYRIZA along with ND and PASOK.
And we get to the current government, the Mitsotakis government. The Mitsotakis name is synonymous with corruption and betrayal. Nazi collaborators, main family behind the Siemens scandal(70bil worth scandal,) antiquity smuggling and many, many more crimes that have been covered up. In my 33 years of living in this country, I have never seen a more shameless and frankly criminal government. Dimitris Lignadis, a close friend of the PM, was convicted of 4 child rapes and never spent a day in prison. I am not exaggerating here, the guy got convicted of 4 child rapes and he is free this very moment. The Patsis scandal, even though it was a 500mil scandal, is pretty much forgotten because it is peanuts compared to the history of the family and the party. There was a murder of a journalist(Greek-Egyptian journalist Karaivaz) who has been covered up, and the excuse the government gave was that the evidence of the murder were in a CD that was accidentally scratched by some keys, so the evidence is lost. I kid you not. They used spyware and were recording phone calls of their immidiate political opponents.
And the most shameless scandal, the Tempi scandal. 7 days before the two trains crashed, the Minister of Infrastructure and Public Transportation Karamanlis, was asked inside the parliament about the lack of security system in this specific part of the railroad network(Tempi.) The minister, in a furious state, asked the parliament member to take back what he said, that he should feel ashamed to even utter such words, assuring that they(ND party) made the railroads completely safe. 7 days after this performance, 57 people died in the place we were assured it was safe.
But it’s not just that. After the murder, because it is murder, a new private company was found in order to clean up the site of the murder even before the investigation began. They threw cement on it. There are legs and arms of victims inside this cement.
I am not the best or most knowledgable person about all this stuff and I certainly cannot tell everything in one reddit post. But trust me, democratic ways of solving problems do not work in a tyranny.
This is what happens when you’re corrupt and lazy.
whaaat?
Greece too?
oh, be sane people, please
And to think in the meantime people in Romania protest to bring up satan as president🤦🤦🤦🤦
This is what we need, keep it up.
We will never forget. NEVER. We will their corrupt reality apart brick by brick. They will be brought to justice one way or another.
2023 onwards is just an awful time to be an incumbent.
Much support from Serbia ❤️
Go Greece, love and support from Serbia ❤️ Don’t give up!
Respect for Greek people from Serbia. This is how it’s done.
Wishing well to our Greek brothers and sisters from Serbia. A great tragedy befell both of our countries, it is time for the corrupt criminals to answer for it!
It’s important to clarify that it’s not just a train crash — a head-on collision that should have been entirely preventable. It’s also about the systematic cover-up surrounding the incident.
* Railway employees had repeatedly warned that the safety systems were outdated and the railways were not safe. The government ignored these warnings and even misrepresented the safety of the network.
* The crash could have been easily avoided with ETCS (automatic safety systems), which have been available for 20 years but were never installed.
* At the time of the collision, a massive explosion occurred — one so large that it raised immediate questions about its cause. Suspicions grew that it was due to flammable materials on the freight train. The prime minister dismissed these allegations, insisting the explosion was caused by the train’s brake oil and that he knew for certain nothing suspicious was located on the train. Two years later, an expert report revealed the presence of approximately 10 tons of flammable liquids on the freight train.
* Critical evidence was mishandled or went missing. Video tapes of the freight train’s loading were missing. Transcripts of communications between the conductors were found to be edited in order to fit the narrative of human error.
* A construction company was created shortly after the accident. The crash site was excavated and backfilled within days, long before all necessary evidence could be collected. Experts argue that these actions significantly hindered the judicial investigation in uncovering the truth.
* Witnesses have died under suspicious circumstances, including two stationmasters involved in the case who died in traffic accidents on consecutive days. The prosecutor’s son handling the case went missing, and shortly afterward, the prosecutor withdrew from the case.
* According to the victims’ families, political mechanisms are deliberately delaying the judicial process, keeping case files buried in bureaucratic drawers and obstructing their fight for justice.
* Government officials dismissed the victims’ families’ demands for justice, accusing them of acting out of self-interest, either for compensation money or political motives.
Today, two years after the accident, the blame has mostly been shifted to the conductors, with charges brought against them for negligence. No politicians or high-ranking officials have been held accountable.
Recent evidence and leaked audio from emergency calls made by victims to 112 revealed that many passengers survived the collision but were burned alive as the fire consumed the carriages. This harrowing revelation deeply impacted the people of the country. Despite having lost their hope in the justice system and the national institutions, people have united to stand by the victims’ families and honor the memory of the deceased. In a tragedy like this, it could be any of us.
Except one Country didn’t protest about deaths: Turkey 77+ death and uncount deaths in a hotel fire lol we know our rights thats it thats what we became :Dd
Some people still thought we can get in the EU
Naaah I don’t think so. You know what actually I don’t wan’t my trash people get into EU maybe the qualified ones deserve it to get in EU but EU did to us two face politicas so we don’t like europe ever.
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Theres protests everywhere wtf
The Balkans are rising up it seems.Student protests and general strikes in Serbia,Croatia,Greece,Slovakia and talks about protests in Bosnia over people being killed in the floods.I hope this leads to something.
After new evidence emerged that proved people survived the initial crash but died from an inexplicable explosion and fires right after (most likely theory right now is that the train illegally carried chemicals or other highly flammable materials). And after the massive attempts from the government to conceal a lot of information about the event, protests have erupted all across the country.
Edit:
[Map of the protests in Greece](https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=37.844975865843026%2C24.868226619999213&z=7&mid=1kjX7hh-KzK4wO3hOdMIrzMvzBEeJw7A)
[Google drive with photos uploaded from people in the protests (unfortunately in greek)](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1o4SMU52VTm9lnGLUWh4yzx2kjMaaUo1Z)
If they don’t go in prison, I hope they go 2 meters below the earth.
I am really curious as to how the media will manage to downgrade it.
There was a law that with more than a million signatures (we are 10 m) a popular request can be officially enforced. The Tempi political investigation petition was signed by 1,5 m iirc and the government still refused, justifying this by some technicalities (law not being enforced, the online platform etc). The resignation of the minister, without him not even being deleted by the party and even more being reelected, is laughable. The prime minister publicly and shamelessly claimed in the media the same day that it was the fault of the employee (!), as if any investigation had happened, while the automatic safe control systems didn’t work etc. The investigation and the media coverage are purposely shunned by the government.
Edit: the one that personally angers me the most, is that some weeks before the accident an opposition mp asked in parliament the minister about the inadequate safety in trains. The minister raised his finger and replied with arrogance “How dare you question the safety of our trains?”. In the site the morning of the tragedy he announced his resignation shedding crocodile tears.
The protest is for the cover-up by our Government on how the 57 people (there are at least 2 more that have “vanished”) died.
It’s not only about a train crash.
-Employees warned that the trains are not safe
-The gov lied about the safety of the railroad
-The crash happens and a lot of people died from fire/explosion from some sort of fuel, that shouldn’t exist
-The gov immediately covered up the evidence before the investigation.
-They didn’t let employees of the railroad company tell that the trains were not safe(in front of the camera, they stop the guy from speaking)
-The minister whines, why should he lose his position because of a train crash(he was the one that lied).
-Another minister says that if he didn’t lie, people wouldn’t use the trains
-In the news, the only thing that they say is that it was not the gov’s fault.
-Ministers say that the families of the victims should stop talking about it, no one cares anymore.
-They attack family members that try to speak, saying that the they are doing it for political reasons.
-The prosecutors son disappears. No one knows were he went. The prosecutor withdraws from the case.
I may have missed something
ΈΓΚΛΗΜΑ.
Hopefully this is a wake up call for us Greeks to be more politically active. Unbelievable that this government was elected despite fucking up left and right
Οχι!
We need to end corporate bribery and political corruption!
Good work Greek people!
New accident?
Or the one a few years ago?
Man you got to hand it to the Greeks, they stay protesting
We need to start voting. And not the same 3 mainstream parties.
While there is another scandal in turkey every day and the government keeps increasing their votes.
Everytime I speak about the corruption of the Greek government with a Northern European, they cannot comprehend the extend of it. Especially the corruption of the ruling family, is beyond imagination. And no, “voting them out” like we are in Denmark does not work. Just in the 15 past years we had blatant undemocratic practices.
In 2011 when the elected PM, George Papandreou, said he cannot pass the austerity measures proposed by the EU and the IMF and we should go to a referendum, PASOK(the then ruling party) and ND(the currently ruling party) overthrew him and planted an unelected ECB employee as the Prime Minister. He went on to pass the laws proposed by the IMF and EU, as an, I repeat, unelected Prime Minister.
The Greek public dissilusioned by the two big parties, turned to SYRIZA, a far left party which up to this point was barely getting 3%. In 2015 SYRIZA along with ANEL(right wing/patriotic party) get voted to form a government under the promise that they will actually negotiate with the EU and IMF, and not “sign whatever they give us without reading it” as Chrysochoidis(minister of multiple governments and the current one) famously has said. After 6 months of negotiations, PM Alexis Tsipras says that he cannot take the responsibility of such a decision and we should go to a referendum. The referendum results are clear, 60% or 3.500.000 votes(no governement in the 191 years of the Greek state has ever gotten 3.500.000 votes,) decide to DECLINE the austerity measures. In one night, the parliament except KKE(communist party) and Golden Dawn(fascist party,) overturned the result of the referendum and passed the laws. SYRIZA along with ND and PASOK.
And we get to the current government, the Mitsotakis government. The Mitsotakis name is synonymous with corruption and betrayal. Nazi collaborators, main family behind the Siemens scandal(70bil worth scandal,) antiquity smuggling and many, many more crimes that have been covered up. In my 33 years of living in this country, I have never seen a more shameless and frankly criminal government. Dimitris Lignadis, a close friend of the PM, was convicted of 4 child rapes and never spent a day in prison. I am not exaggerating here, the guy got convicted of 4 child rapes and he is free this very moment. The Patsis scandal, even though it was a 500mil scandal, is pretty much forgotten because it is peanuts compared to the history of the family and the party. There was a murder of a journalist(Greek-Egyptian journalist Karaivaz) who has been covered up, and the excuse the government gave was that the evidence of the murder were in a CD that was accidentally scratched by some keys, so the evidence is lost. I kid you not. They used spyware and were recording phone calls of their immidiate political opponents.
And the most shameless scandal, the Tempi scandal. 7 days before the two trains crashed, the Minister of Infrastructure and Public Transportation Karamanlis, was asked inside the parliament about the lack of security system in this specific part of the railroad network(Tempi.) The minister, in a furious state, asked the parliament member to take back what he said, that he should feel ashamed to even utter such words, assuring that they(ND party) made the railroads completely safe. 7 days after this performance, 57 people died in the place we were assured it was safe.
But it’s not just that. After the murder, because it is murder, a new private company was found in order to clean up the site of the murder even before the investigation began. They threw cement on it. There are legs and arms of victims inside this cement.
I am not the best or most knowledgable person about all this stuff and I certainly cannot tell everything in one reddit post. But trust me, democratic ways of solving problems do not work in a tyranny.
This is what happens when you’re corrupt and lazy.
whaaat?
Greece too?
oh, be sane people, please
And to think in the meantime people in Romania protest to bring up satan as president🤦🤦🤦🤦
This is what we need, keep it up.
We will never forget. NEVER. We will their corrupt reality apart brick by brick. They will be brought to justice one way or another.
2023 onwards is just an awful time to be an incumbent.
Much support from Serbia ❤️
Go Greece, love and support from Serbia ❤️ Don’t give up!
Respect for Greek people from Serbia. This is how it’s done.
Wishing well to our Greek brothers and sisters from Serbia. A great tragedy befell both of our countries, it is time for the corrupt criminals to answer for it!
It’s important to clarify that it’s not just a train crash — a head-on collision that should have been entirely preventable. It’s also about the systematic cover-up surrounding the incident.
* Railway employees had repeatedly warned that the safety systems were outdated and the railways were not safe. The government ignored these warnings and even misrepresented the safety of the network.
* The crash could have been easily avoided with ETCS (automatic safety systems), which have been available for 20 years but were never installed.
* At the time of the collision, a massive explosion occurred — one so large that it raised immediate questions about its cause. Suspicions grew that it was due to flammable materials on the freight train. The prime minister dismissed these allegations, insisting the explosion was caused by the train’s brake oil and that he knew for certain nothing suspicious was located on the train. Two years later, an expert report revealed the presence of approximately 10 tons of flammable liquids on the freight train.
* Critical evidence was mishandled or went missing. Video tapes of the freight train’s loading were missing. Transcripts of communications between the conductors were found to be edited in order to fit the narrative of human error.
* A construction company was created shortly after the accident. The crash site was excavated and backfilled within days, long before all necessary evidence could be collected. Experts argue that these actions significantly hindered the judicial investigation in uncovering the truth.
* Witnesses have died under suspicious circumstances, including two stationmasters involved in the case who died in traffic accidents on consecutive days. The prosecutor’s son handling the case went missing, and shortly afterward, the prosecutor withdrew from the case.
* According to the victims’ families, political mechanisms are deliberately delaying the judicial process, keeping case files buried in bureaucratic drawers and obstructing their fight for justice.
* Government officials dismissed the victims’ families’ demands for justice, accusing them of acting out of self-interest, either for compensation money or political motives.
Today, two years after the accident, the blame has mostly been shifted to the conductors, with charges brought against them for negligence. No politicians or high-ranking officials have been held accountable.
Recent evidence and leaked audio from emergency calls made by victims to 112 revealed that many passengers survived the collision but were burned alive as the fire consumed the carriages. This harrowing revelation deeply impacted the people of the country. Despite having lost their hope in the justice system and the national institutions, people have united to stand by the victims’ families and honor the memory of the deceased. In a tragedy like this, it could be any of us.
Except one Country didn’t protest about deaths: Turkey 77+ death and uncount deaths in a hotel fire lol we know our rights thats it thats what we became :Dd
Some people still thought we can get in the EU
Naaah I don’t think so. You know what actually I don’t wan’t my trash people get into EU maybe the qualified ones deserve it to get in EU but EU did to us two face politicas so we don’t like europe ever.
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