An overwhelming 79% of EU citizens support a unified defence and security policy among Member States, with a net result of +62%.
This marks an increase from 2019, where 74% were in favor. Opposition has dropped slightly, from 18% to 17%.
I wonder how many of the same citizens actually agree on what that common policy should be.
It sounds great when you ask that as a basic question.
As always, the devil is in the detail. Member states fundamentally don’t have aligned foreign policy goals.
Defence policy? I guess.
EU army? F*ck no.
I seriously don’t know where y’all get these “votes” from. I have never in my life been presented with a survey about something like this, yet everybody is going around posting statistics how X% amount of the EU supports something.
That is not new. You just have to explain to your own politicians that this is also meant seriously. From that moment on, you’ve already lost.
Like everyone wants a more unified EU policy but what the policy should be no one can agree on
better not have it until we get rid of veto, it would become yet another stale item
It’d be damn time…
Who’s against it, fiço and orcban? 🤣🤣🤣
What the fuck are we waiting for.
Can we have a separate foreign policy to the US as well please
Yeah, I guess federalisation might have to happen to some degree for this. There’s a YT channel that did videos highlighting how a Swiss-style federation and German-style federation would work on an EU level, but I can’t pretend to be smart enough to understand that.
« EU army » gets thrown around a lot, I’d much prefer an « EU defence force » though, with all the bad actors on the world stage trying to foment division. We just need to be able to defend ourselves at this point, I doubt anybody wants to get involved in conflicts that aren’t really a concern.
And anything other than self reliance, long term, I would oppose.
Greenland stays !
It’s unfortunately damn near impossible while EU nations still follow wildly different foreign policy goals.
Maybe first try to find a consensus on that, which everyone can at least live with. Then maybe we can think about pooling our armed forces for common goals.
Otherwise it’ll be a pain in the ass to get anything done when every action by an EU army will have some member state vetoing it.
What if we ask in a different way:
“Are you in favor of losing your country’s military sovereignty to create a Common European defense and security policy?”
It’s the same thing, and I’m still in favor of it, but I’m sure the support wouldn’t be as overwhelming as this pool.
As we should.
Denmark was for a very long time one of the staunchest US pawn in the EU, opposing many common defence policies suggested by the French. I guess that they deserve to be on top of r/LeopardsAteMyFace
EU should unite when it comes to defense, and maybe create some kind of EU military units.
We should also protect our borders, increase security there, hell maybe build a wall especially from eastern side.
Invest in navy and protecting underwater cables, pipes, etc.
Trump started talking like Putin recently, when you add global economy challenges with US getting mad, China growing – EU only chance is to be united and strong.
Losing the little sovergnity the member states have? No, thank you. Alliance works just as well. If one member state gets attack, all Jump in the frey.
Jean Monnet would be proud, this was one of the first plans he wanted to implement in Europe but it did not work out at the time. His US bosses were not happy either but hey, finally 2025 is the year that fascists can do wtv they want.
That’s a first step. One day, we will have to build a real European Army.
NATO?
In a world in which the major power and influence blocks are handling EU like a defenseless puppet, we definitely need one security policy and a powerful voice to speak with.
Big questions on this are:
1. Who’s going to pay for all of it
2. Who’s responsibility is it to defend X country if its attacked and are other EU citizen required to defend X country?
3. How is the spending considered if country has active draft?
4. How are women treated considering some countries have active draft? Will we require women to the front-lines and in active draft as well? At the moment women are not in draft for example in Finland which is a HUGE HUGE HUGE issue and against the “equality” shit EU an Finland promote.
All in all can’t see this happening ever since most people will be against it and there are too many questions regarding who’s going to bite the bullet, pay the bill and how we ensure women and especially men are treated fairly.
Especially since northern EU countries already have the highest tax rates in the world while most southern EU countries citizen pay almost no taxes at all and are already the biggest subsidiaries in EU. So if this will cost even more money northern EU countries will simply opt out.
that question doesnt mean anything because its so vague.
the graph more than show eurosceptics in the red.
if you ask for concrete things like a single eu army you will get a lot of red
I really wonder where the 17% get their news from.
How do you get asked for your opinion in a poll?
You wouldn’t end up with one sinlge army but 27 national armies plus an EU army. No way in hell am I going to trust the defense of Finland to Bruxelles where the likes of Orban and Fico can veto every decision in perpetuity.
One would have though that work on implementing an EU military force would have begun with haste in 2022 following the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It is now 2025, the orange monstrosity has been elected to the highest office in the USA, and has begun an aggressive campaign to “acquire” Greenland from Denmark.
The US has always been a plutocracy and is now fast-tracking its way to becoming a fascist oligarchy, much like Russia. With Russian psychopathy fully exposed and the US imploding in the West, how much more evidence does Europe need to take the next logical steps?
What the fuck are we doing?
This is one benefit of Brexit, because in the past Britain always without any effort to create a European army. Now they’re not part of the European Union they can’t stop it. It has to happen, because the European Union might need defended values not any against Russia, China, and now against the United States.
The EU is a TRADE association, nations joined on the basis of trade relations and the current veering towards federalism and common defence policy is simply not what members states signed up for. NATO already exists for western defensive purposes and militarising the EU would essentially be a marriage of convenience to co-opt non NATO EU countries into a military alliance by holding their trade relationships hostage
I’d love to see the breakdown by state. I desperately want to know if Irish citizens have become more realistic on the issue of self and common defence.
Protect our borders from immigrants, americans and russians? Make it a referendum
What would be the difference between European Army and NATO as it is right now? I see a lot of talking about EU Army but it would only work if attacking EU country would trigger war against all of EU and if EU countries were OBLIGATED to send their armies to help attacked countries. If it would be optional it would be the same as NATO article 5. Also we need to build out own equipment and vehicles for 5 years ago and that is the first thing we need to figure out before we create the EU Army. Right now we have to but everything from USA, maybe Korea and we see right now how it works (it doesn’t).
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An overwhelming 79% of EU citizens support a unified defence and security policy among Member States, with a net result of +62%.
This marks an increase from 2019, where 74% were in favor. Opposition has dropped slightly, from 18% to 17%.
I wonder how many of the same citizens actually agree on what that common policy should be.
It sounds great when you ask that as a basic question.
As always, the devil is in the detail. Member states fundamentally don’t have aligned foreign policy goals.
Defence policy? I guess.
EU army? F*ck no.
I seriously don’t know where y’all get these “votes” from. I have never in my life been presented with a survey about something like this, yet everybody is going around posting statistics how X% amount of the EU supports something.
That is not new. You just have to explain to your own politicians that this is also meant seriously. From that moment on, you’ve already lost.
Like everyone wants a more unified EU policy but what the policy should be no one can agree on
better not have it until we get rid of veto, it would become yet another stale item
It’d be damn time…
Who’s against it, fiço and orcban? 🤣🤣🤣
What the fuck are we waiting for.
Can we have a separate foreign policy to the US as well please
Yeah, I guess federalisation might have to happen to some degree for this. There’s a YT channel that did videos highlighting how a Swiss-style federation and German-style federation would work on an EU level, but I can’t pretend to be smart enough to understand that.
« EU army » gets thrown around a lot, I’d much prefer an « EU defence force » though, with all the bad actors on the world stage trying to foment division. We just need to be able to defend ourselves at this point, I doubt anybody wants to get involved in conflicts that aren’t really a concern.
And anything other than self reliance, long term, I would oppose.
Greenland stays !
It’s unfortunately damn near impossible while EU nations still follow wildly different foreign policy goals.
Maybe first try to find a consensus on that, which everyone can at least live with. Then maybe we can think about pooling our armed forces for common goals.
Otherwise it’ll be a pain in the ass to get anything done when every action by an EU army will have some member state vetoing it.
What if we ask in a different way:
“Are you in favor of losing your country’s military sovereignty to create a Common European defense and security policy?”
It’s the same thing, and I’m still in favor of it, but I’m sure the support wouldn’t be as overwhelming as this pool.
As we should.
Denmark was for a very long time one of the staunchest US pawn in the EU, opposing many common defence policies suggested by the French. I guess that they deserve to be on top of r/LeopardsAteMyFace
EU should unite when it comes to defense, and maybe create some kind of EU military units.
We should also protect our borders, increase security there, hell maybe build a wall especially from eastern side.
Invest in navy and protecting underwater cables, pipes, etc.
Trump started talking like Putin recently, when you add global economy challenges with US getting mad, China growing – EU only chance is to be united and strong.
Losing the little sovergnity the member states have? No, thank you. Alliance works just as well. If one member state gets attack, all Jump in the frey.
Jean Monnet would be proud, this was one of the first plans he wanted to implement in Europe but it did not work out at the time. His US bosses were not happy either but hey, finally 2025 is the year that fascists can do wtv they want.
That’s a first step. One day, we will have to build a real European Army.
NATO?
In a world in which the major power and influence blocks are handling EU like a defenseless puppet, we definitely need one security policy and a powerful voice to speak with.
Big questions on this are:
1. Who’s going to pay for all of it
2. Who’s responsibility is it to defend X country if its attacked and are other EU citizen required to defend X country?
3. How is the spending considered if country has active draft?
4. How are women treated considering some countries have active draft? Will we require women to the front-lines and in active draft as well? At the moment women are not in draft for example in Finland which is a HUGE HUGE HUGE issue and against the “equality” shit EU an Finland promote.
All in all can’t see this happening ever since most people will be against it and there are too many questions regarding who’s going to bite the bullet, pay the bill and how we ensure women and especially men are treated fairly.
Especially since northern EU countries already have the highest tax rates in the world while most southern EU countries citizen pay almost no taxes at all and are already the biggest subsidiaries in EU. So if this will cost even more money northern EU countries will simply opt out.
that question doesnt mean anything because its so vague.
the graph more than show eurosceptics in the red.
if you ask for concrete things like a single eu army you will get a lot of red
I really wonder where the 17% get their news from.
How do you get asked for your opinion in a poll?
You wouldn’t end up with one sinlge army but 27 national armies plus an EU army. No way in hell am I going to trust the defense of Finland to Bruxelles where the likes of Orban and Fico can veto every decision in perpetuity.
One would have though that work on implementing an EU military force would have begun with haste in 2022 following the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It is now 2025, the orange monstrosity has been elected to the highest office in the USA, and has begun an aggressive campaign to “acquire” Greenland from Denmark.
The US has always been a plutocracy and is now fast-tracking its way to becoming a fascist oligarchy, much like Russia. With Russian psychopathy fully exposed and the US imploding in the West, how much more evidence does Europe need to take the next logical steps?
What the fuck are we doing?
This is one benefit of Brexit, because in the past Britain always without any effort to create a European army. Now they’re not part of the European Union they can’t stop it. It has to happen, because the European Union might need defended values not any against Russia, China, and now against the United States.
The EU is a TRADE association, nations joined on the basis of trade relations and the current veering towards federalism and common defence policy is simply not what members states signed up for. NATO already exists for western defensive purposes and militarising the EU would essentially be a marriage of convenience to co-opt non NATO EU countries into a military alliance by holding their trade relationships hostage
I’d love to see the breakdown by state. I desperately want to know if Irish citizens have become more realistic on the issue of self and common defence.
Protect our borders from immigrants, americans and russians? Make it a referendum
What would be the difference between European Army and NATO as it is right now? I see a lot of talking about EU Army but it would only work if attacking EU country would trigger war against all of EU and if EU countries were OBLIGATED to send their armies to help attacked countries. If it would be optional it would be the same as NATO article 5. Also we need to build out own equipment and vehicles for 5 years ago and that is the first thing we need to figure out before we create the EU Army. Right now we have to but everything from USA, maybe Korea and we see right now how it works (it doesn’t).
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