I am not sure if it just me but I feel like most of them were ungrateful, seen so much articles about them being unhappy with moving hotels or schools when we were giving them so much.
What did they expect? That the state would keep them in that hotel forever? That they’d build them all their own free houses in those communities? It was inevitable that they’d be uprooted eventually
If they think this is bad just wait until the war is over.
I mean, get a job and pay rent like the rest of us.
We haven’t forgotten, we just can’t keep people indefinitely in private accommodation when numbers are reducing and contracts are ending.
We’re not kicking anyone out and they have plenty of rights when it comes to finding work and their own accommodation.
Lads ye are basically treated as EU citizens here. You can work as you please unlike other refugees. Some of you have been here 3 years working and living in state provided accomodation getting subsidised travel, food ect. Time to get out and pay rent like everyone else. You’re no different from Italians, Polish or French for your rights
My mam befriended a family. Lovely people but rich. Upper crust Ukrainians. Took what they could here. They still here. Husband does a bit of work but just flooting around really. Get real. All of the overly progressive knobs on here from 2-5 years ago can f@ck off too
Also they went home a bunch of times on hols. Piss off
i think its the fact their has been a steep increase on terms of the cost of living re: the war ( look at energy costs which still havent came back down , jan 2022 i was paying 17c per/unit , and im sill paying 30c per/unit also the fact its been what 3ish years , most of the european leaders expected the war to end after the second year
Yet when Sinn Fein raised the same sentiment on the election debate on immigration as many on here, Sarah McInerney of RTE launched a clearly partisan attack on them.
Letting FFG most notably James Browne of FF get away with spoofing and deflection to SF. And yet many people voted for more of the same.
I’m mean, yeh??? It’s been how long at this stage? They have had plenty of time to learn English and settle into Irish life
Our pockets aren’t bottomless unfortunately.
I still think the majority of Irish are behind Ukraine infact I don’t even have to think about it we are def 100% for Ukraine but time is a killer and we don’t have unlimited resources. I wish we did and I wish this was would end and would hope the EU would get behind rebuilding Ukraine it’s horrible what’s happened. Have a colleague whose been here for years the poor woman looks distraught every few weeks like another friend was just killed over there!
We haven’t forgotten we just can’t keep things forever the same way.
Hopefully Russia is nearing the end of its ability to sustain a war and then a cleanup and defencing against Russia for the future can happen
Very ragebait headline from the Irish times I have to say, fairly disgusting of them really.
The issue they talk about in this is that they’ve been place in (expensive) temporary accommodation since 2022 and they’ve actually integrated into the local community (which the government has also funded).
Now the government says those temporary accommodation contracts are too expensive (they probably are) and they have to relocate people, potentially across the country. Which obviously undermines a lot of the integration work.
Could they find and pay for accommodation themselves? I mean we know what the rental crises is like so probably not. At the same time locals have to pay that or live with their parents so it can be hard to see them get “preferential” treatment.
I’m not sure what can be done really, if we didn’t have an accommodation crisis this wouldn’t be a problem.
I do think proper integration is very very important and stuff like this comes with unaccounted for social costs but it’s also difficult to see the insane amount of money we’re spending on these contracts too.
“Jesus lads, I’m not certain if this is going to work out, doesn’t seem like it’s gonna be sustainable long term to me..”
“Shut up, this is how it’s going down and it’ll all be grand..”
*2 / 3 years later*
“I’ve just come to the realization that this may not be sustainable long term..”
This comes across as quite ungrateful. Ireland has been very welcoming, and many Ukrainians have been provided with state accommodation for nearly three years. It’s understandable that, at some point, everyone has to begin seeking their own housing, just like the rest of us. Going to the press with comments like this only risks fueling anti-immigration sentiments and giving ammunition to those on the far right who are calling for stricter policies.
i’m sure it’s a coincidence that mere days after the new government was under the microscope for their dealings with lowry and trying to game the system for speaking time, that the irish times are suddenly once again running articles about immigrants with misleading inflammatory headlines.
Some people have made the wrong impression. Then on the other hand, we have a housing and cost of living crisis and the government was able to step in and build prefab homes to house Ukrainians, not their fault but this has left some people feeling alienated and forgotten by their own government. The vast majority of Irish people welcomed Ukrainians and other refugees with open arms but the country is beyond capacity in terms of services and housing. Anyone saying “plenty of empty gaffs about” is delibrately missing the point.
They can f**k off, they travelled 3000km, passing 25+ other absolutely fine countries, to come and get THREE years of free accommodation off our idiotic government. Time to start paying for themselves or head home like half of them have been doing (and leaving hotel rooms empty) for “holidays” anyway.
Irish Under 30’s, Refugees from any other non-EU location; “First time?”
It might appear cold-hearted to drop their support, but this isn’t without advanced warning given that the €800/m payments had a cutoff date.
It also isn’t that the many under temporary accommodation are getting booted out and left to find shelter themselves – they are being relocated to another shelter. There are equally other non-Ukrainian refugees who haven’t recieved 800/m for the last 3 years who are likely also being relocated to ease pressure on the system (itself being an issue related to the government’s poor domestic planning for housing, lack of sufficient transport infrastructure to connect refugee communities to centralised areas to allow intergration and a stable life, etc).
Ukrainians are one of the largest refugee groups at the moment across Europe which is why they are getting the attention placed on their plight, but equally they are highlighting the underlying issues many countries have balancing the needs of its refugees with the needs of its citizens. There are many Nigerians, Syrians, Afghanis, Somalians, Ethiopians, and so on who are all suffering and being ignored by the same system that is failing those seeking refuge and support, the same one that’s failing the locals who are also in need.
They are getting a lot of benefits not typically available to even our citizens or any asylum seekers. Including free education, the ARP payment and being allowed to go back to Ukraine for visits, childrens allowance and other supports.
Lost interest? We’re paying for you!
The vast majority of us still care, I think, massively. This is a really shit situation though. To undo all the work of integration and settling like this is tragic. I’m sure it’s unavoidable in some instances but hopefully it’s happening as little as possible
We unfortunately haven’t forgotten about ye or lost interest in ye personally, but we are reminded daily that ye get more benefits and subsidies from the Irish govt than us Irish citizens get.
Ye are put up in State paid accommodation, given medical and dental cards, still able to work full time as if you’re being treated as an EU citizen, but also receiving the benefits that an unemployed person gets.
We are reminded daily that ye are here and taking advantage of our social welfare systems while our own people sleep on the streets or worry about paying their bills.
If ye’re able to go back to Ukraine for Xmas holidays to visit friends and family, then you’re not really a refugee whose life is in Imminent danger, and if that’s the case then you’re another economic migrant who managed to leave when the war started.
I never had much interest in them in honesty I just wanted them to be treated like any other asylum seekers.
I’ve noticed that we can be influenced one way or another by one-liners. So here’s some context and full quotes:
“We greatly appreciate the support Ireland has provided, but all of a sudden it’s like you’ve lost interest in us,”
“Integration is not easy – it’s meeting people on a daily basis, listening to their issues, helping with language barriers, cleaning beaches together, working with the local community. We can see the results and now that’s being taken away.”
“When I worked in the Bundoran surgery I saw people who had already moved two or three times. A high percentage of Ukrainians have PTSD and they feel they can rely on their GP. If you’re moved and get sick, you can get lost in the system. That scares a lot of people,”
“Forcing them to move counties is almost the same as moving countries again, as they have to start all over in new schools and jobs,”
“We know the Government is doing its best to accommodate the needs of vulnerable people, many of whom are single mothers with children. But for them, finding independent accommodation is almost impossible. This puts them in dangerous situations where they can be taken advantage of. This comes on top of the trauma they are already dealing with of an ongoing war in their homeland.”
That’s because they are taking the absolute piss!!!!
Give an inch take a mile. They knew from day 1 the accommodation provided was not a long term situation. If they want to settle in the community they can find their own accommodation. They already have the advantage of an €800 subsidy that Irish citizens can’t avail of.
At this point I’m am convinced the government is hoping the next generation solves the inevitable disaster these insane immigration policies have.
Jesus Christ. The second all the benefits are cut off they start whining. Get a job, pay for everything like the rest of us.
At this stage, most Ukrainians in Ireland should have found employment. It’s understandable to support people for a period, but there comes a time when contributing should be expected. Many refugees would do anything for the opportunity to work here, yet some Ukrainians seem unwilling to take advantage of it.
To be clear, I’m not referring to single parents or individuals with disabilities. However, there are plenty of young, healthy people still receiving social welfare payments while taking holidays in Ukraine. It’s frustrating to see this happening at times.
People are still in refugee camps from the syrian civil war that started in 2011. Ukranians are treated so insanely well compared to every other kind of refugee. And not to be rude, but the reason its arguably good to take Ukranian refugees isn’t exactly to make them safe from Russia. Most of Ukraine is relatively safe and far from the frontlines. The purpose of taking refugees is to relieve the burden of internally displaced people from Ukraine when they can’t even afford to pay their paramedics wages, and to protect any adult male refugees from conscription. This is in contrast to many other groups of refugees from places where they’re actually likely to be killed anywhere in their home country. Any syrian from a minority group for example may as well jump in the ocean rather than go back with who’s in charge now.
Complain about how refugees are treated in general if you want, that’s fair, but its not good optics as a refugee to specifically complain about purportedly waning(but still present) special treatment over other refugees.
Oh, guess I better re-evaluate and review my ‘interest’ calendar.
Ukrainians in Ireland are currently 12th on it, they were in my top 5 when the war started, so I suppose I have forgotten about them. I’ll move them back into the top 10 and push Syria back down.
The war started nearly 3 years ago. Get a job and stop taking advantage of our kindness.
I work with many Eastern Europeans, what’s stopping them?
Ukrainian workmate who is here since the beginning of the war, recently told me that he can no longer get car insurance quote. Being automatically refused for some reason despite the fact that previous years it was no problem to acquire.. very odd behaviour from insurance to do this.
I understand their disappointment, but given the haphazard way in which the Irish government has managed this, it was inevitable. One of the original sins here was the government agreeing to the Temporary Protection Directive which enables Ukrainian refugees to select their destination.
The result was a distribution out of proportion with the resources available. France has fewer Ukrainian refugees than Ireland. And when you don’t have enough resources, what do you do? You juggle. Juggle long enough and in the end all the balls fall to the ground.
Oh no they are experiencing the real Ireland, they ain’t gonna like it, there’s a reason we say “be grand” and have a pleasant demeanour, it’s trauma baybayyyyy
The penny is starting to drop for the naive Irish people. The Irish think the same way the swedish do, they think they can feed, house and clothe the entire 3rd world. Wait until the next down turn comes and you’re left with hundreds of thousands of refugees and asylum seekers and bill for them in the billions that is rising every year.
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I am not sure if it just me but I feel like most of them were ungrateful, seen so much articles about them being unhappy with moving hotels or schools when we were giving them so much.
What did they expect? That the state would keep them in that hotel forever? That they’d build them all their own free houses in those communities? It was inevitable that they’d be uprooted eventually
If they think this is bad just wait until the war is over.
I mean, get a job and pay rent like the rest of us.
We haven’t forgotten, we just can’t keep people indefinitely in private accommodation when numbers are reducing and contracts are ending.
We’re not kicking anyone out and they have plenty of rights when it comes to finding work and their own accommodation.
Lads ye are basically treated as EU citizens here. You can work as you please unlike other refugees. Some of you have been here 3 years working and living in state provided accomodation getting subsidised travel, food ect. Time to get out and pay rent like everyone else. You’re no different from Italians, Polish or French for your rights
My mam befriended a family. Lovely people but rich. Upper crust Ukrainians. Took what they could here. They still here. Husband does a bit of work but just flooting around really. Get real. All of the overly progressive knobs on here from 2-5 years ago can f@ck off too
Also they went home a bunch of times on hols. Piss off
i think its the fact their has been a steep increase on terms of the cost of living re: the war ( look at energy costs which still havent came back down , jan 2022 i was paying 17c per/unit , and im sill paying 30c per/unit also the fact its been what 3ish years , most of the european leaders expected the war to end after the second year
Yet when Sinn Fein raised the same sentiment on the election debate on immigration as many on here, Sarah McInerney of RTE launched a clearly partisan attack on them.
Letting FFG most notably James Browne of FF get away with spoofing and deflection to SF. And yet many people voted for more of the same.
I’m mean, yeh??? It’s been how long at this stage? They have had plenty of time to learn English and settle into Irish life
Our pockets aren’t bottomless unfortunately.
I still think the majority of Irish are behind Ukraine infact I don’t even have to think about it we are def 100% for Ukraine but time is a killer and we don’t have unlimited resources. I wish we did and I wish this was would end and would hope the EU would get behind rebuilding Ukraine it’s horrible what’s happened. Have a colleague whose been here for years the poor woman looks distraught every few weeks like another friend was just killed over there!
We haven’t forgotten we just can’t keep things forever the same way.
Hopefully Russia is nearing the end of its ability to sustain a war and then a cleanup and defencing against Russia for the future can happen
Very ragebait headline from the Irish times I have to say, fairly disgusting of them really.
The issue they talk about in this is that they’ve been place in (expensive) temporary accommodation since 2022 and they’ve actually integrated into the local community (which the government has also funded).
Now the government says those temporary accommodation contracts are too expensive (they probably are) and they have to relocate people, potentially across the country. Which obviously undermines a lot of the integration work.
Could they find and pay for accommodation themselves? I mean we know what the rental crises is like so probably not. At the same time locals have to pay that or live with their parents so it can be hard to see them get “preferential” treatment.
I’m not sure what can be done really, if we didn’t have an accommodation crisis this wouldn’t be a problem.
I do think proper integration is very very important and stuff like this comes with unaccounted for social costs but it’s also difficult to see the insane amount of money we’re spending on these contracts too.
“Jesus lads, I’m not certain if this is going to work out, doesn’t seem like it’s gonna be sustainable long term to me..”
“Shut up, this is how it’s going down and it’ll all be grand..”
*2 / 3 years later*
“I’ve just come to the realization that this may not be sustainable long term..”
This comes across as quite ungrateful. Ireland has been very welcoming, and many Ukrainians have been provided with state accommodation for nearly three years. It’s understandable that, at some point, everyone has to begin seeking their own housing, just like the rest of us. Going to the press with comments like this only risks fueling anti-immigration sentiments and giving ammunition to those on the far right who are calling for stricter policies.
i’m sure it’s a coincidence that mere days after the new government was under the microscope for their dealings with lowry and trying to game the system for speaking time, that the irish times are suddenly once again running articles about immigrants with misleading inflammatory headlines.
Some people have made the wrong impression. Then on the other hand, we have a housing and cost of living crisis and the government was able to step in and build prefab homes to house Ukrainians, not their fault but this has left some people feeling alienated and forgotten by their own government. The vast majority of Irish people welcomed Ukrainians and other refugees with open arms but the country is beyond capacity in terms of services and housing. Anyone saying “plenty of empty gaffs about” is delibrately missing the point.
They can f**k off, they travelled 3000km, passing 25+ other absolutely fine countries, to come and get THREE years of free accommodation off our idiotic government. Time to start paying for themselves or head home like half of them have been doing (and leaving hotel rooms empty) for “holidays” anyway.
Irish Under 30’s, Refugees from any other non-EU location; “First time?”
It might appear cold-hearted to drop their support, but this isn’t without advanced warning given that the €800/m payments had a cutoff date.
It also isn’t that the many under temporary accommodation are getting booted out and left to find shelter themselves – they are being relocated to another shelter. There are equally other non-Ukrainian refugees who haven’t recieved 800/m for the last 3 years who are likely also being relocated to ease pressure on the system (itself being an issue related to the government’s poor domestic planning for housing, lack of sufficient transport infrastructure to connect refugee communities to centralised areas to allow intergration and a stable life, etc).
Ukrainians are one of the largest refugee groups at the moment across Europe which is why they are getting the attention placed on their plight, but equally they are highlighting the underlying issues many countries have balancing the needs of its refugees with the needs of its citizens. There are many Nigerians, Syrians, Afghanis, Somalians, Ethiopians, and so on who are all suffering and being ignored by the same system that is failing those seeking refuge and support, the same one that’s failing the locals who are also in need.
They are getting a lot of benefits not typically available to even our citizens or any asylum seekers. Including free education, the ARP payment and being allowed to go back to Ukraine for visits, childrens allowance and other supports.
Lost interest? We’re paying for you!
The vast majority of us still care, I think, massively. This is a really shit situation though. To undo all the work of integration and settling like this is tragic. I’m sure it’s unavoidable in some instances but hopefully it’s happening as little as possible
We unfortunately haven’t forgotten about ye or lost interest in ye personally, but we are reminded daily that ye get more benefits and subsidies from the Irish govt than us Irish citizens get.
Ye are put up in State paid accommodation, given medical and dental cards, still able to work full time as if you’re being treated as an EU citizen, but also receiving the benefits that an unemployed person gets.
We are reminded daily that ye are here and taking advantage of our social welfare systems while our own people sleep on the streets or worry about paying their bills.
If ye’re able to go back to Ukraine for Xmas holidays to visit friends and family, then you’re not really a refugee whose life is in Imminent danger, and if that’s the case then you’re another economic migrant who managed to leave when the war started.
I never had much interest in them in honesty I just wanted them to be treated like any other asylum seekers.
I’ve noticed that we can be influenced one way or another by one-liners. So here’s some context and full quotes:
“We greatly appreciate the support Ireland has provided, but all of a sudden it’s like you’ve lost interest in us,”
“Integration is not easy – it’s meeting people on a daily basis, listening to their issues, helping with language barriers, cleaning beaches together, working with the local community. We can see the results and now that’s being taken away.”
“When I worked in the Bundoran surgery I saw people who had already moved two or three times. A high percentage of Ukrainians have PTSD and they feel they can rely on their GP. If you’re moved and get sick, you can get lost in the system. That scares a lot of people,”
“Forcing them to move counties is almost the same as moving countries again, as they have to start all over in new schools and jobs,”
“We know the Government is doing its best to accommodate the needs of vulnerable people, many of whom are single mothers with children. But for them, finding independent accommodation is almost impossible. This puts them in dangerous situations where they can be taken advantage of. This comes on top of the trauma they are already dealing with of an ongoing war in their homeland.”
That’s because they are taking the absolute piss!!!!
Give an inch take a mile. They knew from day 1 the accommodation provided was not a long term situation. If they want to settle in the community they can find their own accommodation. They already have the advantage of an €800 subsidy that Irish citizens can’t avail of.
At this point I’m am convinced the government is hoping the next generation solves the inevitable disaster these insane immigration policies have.
Jesus Christ. The second all the benefits are cut off they start whining. Get a job, pay for everything like the rest of us.
At this stage, most Ukrainians in Ireland should have found employment. It’s understandable to support people for a period, but there comes a time when contributing should be expected. Many refugees would do anything for the opportunity to work here, yet some Ukrainians seem unwilling to take advantage of it.
To be clear, I’m not referring to single parents or individuals with disabilities. However, there are plenty of young, healthy people still receiving social welfare payments while taking holidays in Ukraine. It’s frustrating to see this happening at times.
People are still in refugee camps from the syrian civil war that started in 2011. Ukranians are treated so insanely well compared to every other kind of refugee. And not to be rude, but the reason its arguably good to take Ukranian refugees isn’t exactly to make them safe from Russia. Most of Ukraine is relatively safe and far from the frontlines. The purpose of taking refugees is to relieve the burden of internally displaced people from Ukraine when they can’t even afford to pay their paramedics wages, and to protect any adult male refugees from conscription. This is in contrast to many other groups of refugees from places where they’re actually likely to be killed anywhere in their home country. Any syrian from a minority group for example may as well jump in the ocean rather than go back with who’s in charge now.
Complain about how refugees are treated in general if you want, that’s fair, but its not good optics as a refugee to specifically complain about purportedly waning(but still present) special treatment over other refugees.
Oh, guess I better re-evaluate and review my ‘interest’ calendar.
Ukrainians in Ireland are currently 12th on it, they were in my top 5 when the war started, so I suppose I have forgotten about them. I’ll move them back into the top 10 and push Syria back down.
The war started nearly 3 years ago. Get a job and stop taking advantage of our kindness.
I work with many Eastern Europeans, what’s stopping them?
Ukrainian workmate who is here since the beginning of the war, recently told me that he can no longer get car insurance quote. Being automatically refused for some reason despite the fact that previous years it was no problem to acquire.. very odd behaviour from insurance to do this.
I understand their disappointment, but given the haphazard way in which the Irish government has managed this, it was inevitable. One of the original sins here was the government agreeing to the Temporary Protection Directive which enables Ukrainian refugees to select their destination.
The result was a distribution out of proportion with the resources available. France has fewer Ukrainian refugees than Ireland. And when you don’t have enough resources, what do you do? You juggle. Juggle long enough and in the end all the balls fall to the ground.
Oh no they are experiencing the real Ireland, they ain’t gonna like it, there’s a reason we say “be grand” and have a pleasant demeanour, it’s trauma baybayyyyy
The penny is starting to drop for the naive Irish people. The Irish think the same way the swedish do, they think they can feed, house and clothe the entire 3rd world. Wait until the next down turn comes and you’re left with hundreds of thousands of refugees and asylum seekers and bill for them in the billions that is rising every year.
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