We are not a barbaric reaction ist populist society like some countries may be right now. The Death Penalty is the most extreme and irreversible for of punishment and is not what British Justice is about.
Yes, some people need putting down.
Ask the family of the girls he killed. They can decide.
56 years of rotting in jail costs money we don’t have, and need, to build more prisons for other offenders.
There’s a reason we abolished the death penalty; it’s not something civilised countries allow.
Despite the obvious, that there will always eventually be false convictions
No man should be able to take another’s life
To be it’s not about revenge it’s more about the fact it will cost potentially a million of tax payer money to keep him locked up the rest of his life when there is no question he did it or any chance he is going to do any good for society.
Some crimes… the only fair punishment is the Mao Zedong anti aircraft gun to the chest at point blank range…
Absolute waste of oxygen… THE GIRLS WERE SAT MAKING FRIENDSHIP BRACELETS WHEN HE CAME IN TO KILL THEM FFS 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Silent on Lucy Letby, who killed more children and more vulnerable children, yet today demanding the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.
What is it about Rudakubana which triggers Reform MPs, in a way Letby doesn’t?
Don’t worry he’s going to get what’s coming to him…
Not all hero’s wear capes, some wear prison warder uniforms and prison issue clobber…
Hopefully he will be dead within the year…
But yes on occasions like this especially where they have admitted it, swinging by the neck would be a lovely and just outcome…
CUNT…
For those who support the Death Penalty, how many innocent people are you comfortable with being killed by the state to support it?
The reality is our judicial system is imperfect, innocent people are convicted. Currently we can release them & give the financial restitution for our mistakes. How much would you give a corpse?
The death penalty is inherently problematic, because … how can you be absolutely sure. You can’t, not 100% of the time. And history has shown that repeatedly. Throw away the key for sure, but no long drops or whatever.
For people who aren’t convinced by the “death penalty is immoral” argument, maybe you’ll be instead convinced by the “death penalty does not decrease violent crimes” argument:
I understand people feeling the need for some kind of retribution (even if I personally disagree with it). But surely more important is having fewer murders in the future.
One look at how the death sentence has been applied in our history is all I need to be against it as a punishment.
It doesn’t act as a deterrent. Countries with the death penalty still see people commit capital crimes. It doesn’t serve justice, it functions as vengeance, which is inherently unjust.
I’ll be clear, I have no wish for my tax money to go to keeping people like him, Hindley, Letby, et al, alive. I don’t think people like Breivik can be reintegrated into society, but I am against the risk of killing one innocent person.
I’m sure that I’ll get someone pointing out that “…but in this case we’re totally sure…”
You’d still need to write your law in a way that it is so absolutely sure that you’ll never get the conviction you’re looking for. Look at how hard it is to bring rapists to trial to see that, or how many domestic abusers continue to get away with beating their partners due to burden of proof.
I don’t think I can ever support the death penalty. It might make you feel better to know you’ve removed someone who has performed a crime like this, but I don’t think it actually works as a policy. Ian Hislop covered this well on Question Time a long time ago:
I get all the arguments of some people being wrongfully convicted etc. I’ve always been against the death penalty.
Our system is ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ which may suffice for custodial sentence, but not for death.
If we were able to have ‘beyond any doubt’ in some cases, after the original conviction.
Two recent examples that, as a dad have been truly awful, have been this case and Lucy Letby (found guilty of killing those babies)
She is a good example maybe of the first example, while this monster could be latter.
This case has definitely caused me to waver on the death penalty.
RIP those poor girls
Yes, if its clear on CCTV with and/or witnesses. no mater of their mental health situation the deed was done and innocents have died. he is now a drain on tax payers for the rest of his miserable life, so why not. Only to be used in such cases.
I posted my thoughts on this earlier;
My concern with the death penalty being reintroduced in the UK would be that it would be used on those very people who would glorify their death and other sickos would look at them as martyrs….in my view there is something much less “glorious” about being confined to a cell for 23 hours of the day for the remainder of your life, people like this creature should be *made* to live out their very. Very. Very. Very long sentence.
There’s a feeling amongst many that prison is somewhat of a ride, you can make friends, have a TV in your cell…
Maybe we need more full life sentences, including for under 18s, and miserable conditions for the worst of the worst. Think of what El Chapo has in the Supermax.
I use to be pro death penalty, however that is the quick way out. You want them to live a long unhappy life in prison. I understand it may be a waste of money however it is worth it I think. As for the actual sentence, I disagree should be a whole life order. All the hidden evidence by the media is disgraceful.
In his case it would be hard to argue against the death penalty, (even though he is seriously mentally ill) but think of all the wrongful convictions over the years.
You don’t execute him, not because *he* doesn’t deserve it but to protect those coming after him who don’t.
Look, it costs 47,000 a year to keep a guy in, this guy is basically not ever getting out, and there is no shadow of a doubt who did it. I think we can have capital punishment for extremely clear as day cases like this.
To respect the gravity of the situation, jurors could be the ones to decide if it is appropriate with the extra qualifier that it needs to be without a shadow of a doubt, not a reasonable one, that it was x who is guilty and deserving
This would make it a very rare occurance, basically reserved for terrorist attacks
You can’t use the death penalty because you could end up murdering an innocent person. However, you could reduce their human rights down to, right to exist, right to access to food and water, right to shelter. We can have punishments that are not as extreme but can be as bad as death, a living death sentence. I dont advocate physical torture, which is over stimulation of the nervous system, and also require another human to be a horror l, but under. Put them in a dark, windowless room with a hatch and a bucket for the rest of their lives. If it is found out later on they didn’t do it then they can be released and it solve la the innocent murder issue.
Can you imagine, the same room, the same meal, not knowing whether it’s light or dark, no talking to people over and over again, alone with your thoughts what you did, self torture, keeps the cost down also.
It’s barbaric, it’s immoral, and it isn’t what a civilised society does.
Irregardless of circumstances, as a nation, we don’t need to stoop to the evil, despicable levels demonstrated by murderers. There’s no evidence it acts as a deterrent. It will likely cost more than an equivalent life sentence.
And given the corrupt state of our police and judiciary, there would likely be numerous innocent persons killed as demonstrated by the numbers of miscarriages of justices this country has seen over the years. A privately educated, upper class Crown court judge would no doubt love to send members of the proletariat to their deaths – we absolutely shouldn’t allow them.
In clear cut cases such as this one where the cunt absolutely did it and brags about what he did then yes, black wig on, marched to the gallows and swung. There is no chance this guy is ever not going to be a danger to society so why waste time and money keeping him alive? I guess there’s an argument that keeping him alive and locked away is punishment in itself but I personally feel putting this guy in a warm cushy cell with a tv, console etc whilst surrounded by like minded criminals is an insult to the victims and their families suffering.
I’m sure *Reform* of all people will be more than happy to keep the death penalty for just violent criminals, and not say, the minorities they constantly denigrate and smear, or anyone else who disagrees with their extremist notions, right? *Right*?
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We are not a barbaric reaction ist populist society like some countries may be right now. The Death Penalty is the most extreme and irreversible for of punishment and is not what British Justice is about.
Yes, some people need putting down.
Ask the family of the girls he killed. They can decide.
56 years of rotting in jail costs money we don’t have, and need, to build more prisons for other offenders.
There’s a reason we abolished the death penalty; it’s not something civilised countries allow.
Despite the obvious, that there will always eventually be false convictions
No man should be able to take another’s life
To be it’s not about revenge it’s more about the fact it will cost potentially a million of tax payer money to keep him locked up the rest of his life when there is no question he did it or any chance he is going to do any good for society.
Some crimes… the only fair punishment is the Mao Zedong anti aircraft gun to the chest at point blank range…
Absolute waste of oxygen… THE GIRLS WERE SAT MAKING FRIENDSHIP BRACELETS WHEN HE CAME IN TO KILL THEM FFS 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Silent on Lucy Letby, who killed more children and more vulnerable children, yet today demanding the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.
What is it about Rudakubana which triggers Reform MPs, in a way Letby doesn’t?
Don’t worry he’s going to get what’s coming to him…
Not all hero’s wear capes, some wear prison warder uniforms and prison issue clobber…
Hopefully he will be dead within the year…
But yes on occasions like this especially where they have admitted it, swinging by the neck would be a lovely and just outcome…
CUNT…
For those who support the Death Penalty, how many innocent people are you comfortable with being killed by the state to support it?
The reality is our judicial system is imperfect, innocent people are convicted. Currently we can release them & give the financial restitution for our mistakes. How much would you give a corpse?
The death penalty is inherently problematic, because … how can you be absolutely sure. You can’t, not 100% of the time. And history has shown that repeatedly. Throw away the key for sure, but no long drops or whatever.
For people who aren’t convinced by the “death penalty is immoral” argument, maybe you’ll be instead convinced by the “death penalty does not decrease violent crimes” argument:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/act500062008en.pdf
I understand people feeling the need for some kind of retribution (even if I personally disagree with it). But surely more important is having fewer murders in the future.
One look at how the death sentence has been applied in our history is all I need to be against it as a punishment.
It doesn’t act as a deterrent. Countries with the death penalty still see people commit capital crimes. It doesn’t serve justice, it functions as vengeance, which is inherently unjust.
I’ll be clear, I have no wish for my tax money to go to keeping people like him, Hindley, Letby, et al, alive. I don’t think people like Breivik can be reintegrated into society, but I am against the risk of killing one innocent person.
I’m sure that I’ll get someone pointing out that “…but in this case we’re totally sure…”
You’d still need to write your law in a way that it is so absolutely sure that you’ll never get the conviction you’re looking for. Look at how hard it is to bring rapists to trial to see that, or how many domestic abusers continue to get away with beating their partners due to burden of proof.
I don’t think I can ever support the death penalty. It might make you feel better to know you’ve removed someone who has performed a crime like this, but I don’t think it actually works as a policy. Ian Hislop covered this well on Question Time a long time ago:
https://youtu.be/_DrsVhzbLzU?si=rSWYwrtmLVELXMF2
I get all the arguments of some people being wrongfully convicted etc. I’ve always been against the death penalty.
Our system is ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ which may suffice for custodial sentence, but not for death.
If we were able to have ‘beyond any doubt’ in some cases, after the original conviction.
Two recent examples that, as a dad have been truly awful, have been this case and Lucy Letby (found guilty of killing those babies)
She is a good example maybe of the first example, while this monster could be latter.
This case has definitely caused me to waver on the death penalty.
RIP those poor girls
Yes, if its clear on CCTV with and/or witnesses. no mater of their mental health situation the deed was done and innocents have died. he is now a drain on tax payers for the rest of his miserable life, so why not. Only to be used in such cases.
I posted my thoughts on this earlier;
My concern with the death penalty being reintroduced in the UK would be that it would be used on those very people who would glorify their death and other sickos would look at them as martyrs….in my view there is something much less “glorious” about being confined to a cell for 23 hours of the day for the remainder of your life, people like this creature should be *made* to live out their very. Very. Very. Very long sentence.
There’s a feeling amongst many that prison is somewhat of a ride, you can make friends, have a TV in your cell…
Maybe we need more full life sentences, including for under 18s, and miserable conditions for the worst of the worst. Think of what El Chapo has in the Supermax.
I use to be pro death penalty, however that is the quick way out. You want them to live a long unhappy life in prison. I understand it may be a waste of money however it is worth it I think. As for the actual sentence, I disagree should be a whole life order. All the hidden evidence by the media is disgraceful.
In his case it would be hard to argue against the death penalty, (even though he is seriously mentally ill) but think of all the wrongful convictions over the years.
You don’t execute him, not because *he* doesn’t deserve it but to protect those coming after him who don’t.
Look, it costs 47,000 a year to keep a guy in, this guy is basically not ever getting out, and there is no shadow of a doubt who did it. I think we can have capital punishment for extremely clear as day cases like this.
To respect the gravity of the situation, jurors could be the ones to decide if it is appropriate with the extra qualifier that it needs to be without a shadow of a doubt, not a reasonable one, that it was x who is guilty and deserving
This would make it a very rare occurance, basically reserved for terrorist attacks
You can’t use the death penalty because you could end up murdering an innocent person. However, you could reduce their human rights down to, right to exist, right to access to food and water, right to shelter. We can have punishments that are not as extreme but can be as bad as death, a living death sentence. I dont advocate physical torture, which is over stimulation of the nervous system, and also require another human to be a horror l, but under. Put them in a dark, windowless room with a hatch and a bucket for the rest of their lives. If it is found out later on they didn’t do it then they can be released and it solve la the innocent murder issue.
Can you imagine, the same room, the same meal, not knowing whether it’s light or dark, no talking to people over and over again, alone with your thoughts what you did, self torture, keeps the cost down also.
It’s barbaric, it’s immoral, and it isn’t what a civilised society does.
Irregardless of circumstances, as a nation, we don’t need to stoop to the evil, despicable levels demonstrated by murderers. There’s no evidence it acts as a deterrent. It will likely cost more than an equivalent life sentence.
And given the corrupt state of our police and judiciary, there would likely be numerous innocent persons killed as demonstrated by the numbers of miscarriages of justices this country has seen over the years. A privately educated, upper class Crown court judge would no doubt love to send members of the proletariat to their deaths – we absolutely shouldn’t allow them.
In clear cut cases such as this one where the cunt absolutely did it and brags about what he did then yes, black wig on, marched to the gallows and swung. There is no chance this guy is ever not going to be a danger to society so why waste time and money keeping him alive? I guess there’s an argument that keeping him alive and locked away is punishment in itself but I personally feel putting this guy in a warm cushy cell with a tv, console etc whilst surrounded by like minded criminals is an insult to the victims and their families suffering.
I’m sure *Reform* of all people will be more than happy to keep the death penalty for just violent criminals, and not say, the minorities they constantly denigrate and smear, or anyone else who disagrees with their extremist notions, right? *Right*?
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