Dad who ran over son says ‘I shouldn’t have to do this, it’s not f***ing fair’

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/dad-who-ran-over-son-30893717

by LOTDT

42 comments

  1. Horrendous. And terrifying. I reverse out of my garage every day. I look for either of my 2 young children every time through reversing camera even when I know they are locked inside. I can see how accidents happen tho.

  2. wow, reading that article, this chap is clearly not accepting that he could actually have prevented his own sons death. It seems he thinks he did enough. I do not think he did.

  3. >”Neil Speakman, who denies gross negligence manslaughter following son Albie’s death, has told jurors ‘I made a mistake'”

    Yea no shit thats where the negligence part comes in.

  5. > The prosecution alleges Mr Speakman disregarded a warning in 2020 from the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) about the use of another piece of farm machinery with a lifting bucket attached.
    >

    > A letter was said to have been sent by the HSE to warn him of potentially fatal consequences after the emergence of a video posted on social media, which showed a teenager inside the bucket of the machine, which was in the air as the defendant moves the vehicle and is heard to say: “I’m going to drop you”.

    Seems he’s no stranger to using his equipment dangerously. 

    Throw the book. 

  6. The kid died, can the child cry it’s not fair. He was three ffs. It’s tragic, not fair on the child. The adult should have been aware of risk and safety of his child.

  7. I can’t work out if that’s the biggest head I’ve ever seen or the smallest face

  8. If you would have asked this guy the day before this happened what sentence should the person who accidentally kills his son receive, he probably would’ve said ‘hanging by rope’, but would’ve forgotten to say ‘unless it’s me who does it, then it’s different’

  9. He cares more about his own feelings than about killing his son. It seems like he was pretty cavalier about his son’s life all along, this wasn’t just a freak accident.

    I often wonder if people who act like this have a subconscious (or conscious) urge to do harm.
    He deserves the maximum.

  10. [If you look his name up there’s another article from last week.](https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/24872762.tottington-farmer-ran-son-age-three-court-hears/)

    >Mr Elvidge told the jury that the telehandler used that day had several defects including a “murky” offside rear-view mirror and a missing nearside rear view mirror. He also said neither the audible warning nor the park brake was properly functioning.

    Sounds negligent.

    >But he also said that the three-year-old old “knew his boundaries, knew where to go and where not to go”. When asked how young Albie knew where to go and where not to go, Speakman said: “Because you told him. You know he wasn’t a ret*rd.”

    Nice.

    >The video showed Speakman’s then 17-year-old partner inside a bucket attacked to a loading boom extending into the air and Speakman himself saying “I’m going to drop you!”

    To top it all off…

  11. I’d probably be in denial too – if the worst thing possible had happened and it was my fault

    no idea what the law ought to do in a situation like this, but I’m not surprised this is his reaction

  12. I know I’m going to get downvoted to hell for this but… I’ve worked on loads of farms. The bit about the teenager in the bucket – well, stuff like that happens all the time on farms. Men and large machinery? There’s going to be some hijinx.

    Before anyone attacks me for it, he definitely shouldn’t have been moving a large piece equipment around without eyes on the location of his son.

  13. Not going to lie, if I killed my kid like this, I’d probably top myself

  14. This dude thought that 2 dogs were a sufficient babysitter to a 3 year old near operating heavy machinery?! That poor kid never had a chance. RIP Albie, you deserved better.

  15. It mentions the incident regarding the 17 year old partner in 2020. Assuming this was the same 17 year old who would’ve given birth aged 16 in 2019, if she had a three year old with him
    In 2022. While he would’ve been 34 at the time as 39 now. Lovely….

  16. Self pity never comes off well with a jury, they stick the knife in

  17. lot of people in here clearly have absolutely no understanding of what the trauma of losing a child does to someone’s mind, let alone if *your* actions killed them directly- the experience of watching his child die will have broken him, to say nothing of the subsequent guilt

    like yeah no shit this guy is in denial, he fucked up and now he’s lost his son and can’t get him back, its borderline incomprehensible guilt and trauma, everyone commenting here would be in denial too, he’s lost everything

  18. “He’d been warned before after a video emerged showing a teenager inside a bucket” said teenager was his 17 year old girlfriend whilst he was 34, I’m getting another word that begins with n as well as neglectful

  19. I couldn’t live with myself if I even accidentally hurt my child.

  20. He’s going to prison. Previous warnings from HSE? Knowingly operating a vehicle that was missing a wing mirror? Fuck him. He’s upset, sure. That doesn’t make him innocent.

  21. I absolutely feel terrible for him…. But if you ran your kid over it is negligence.

    You neglected his safety.

  22. If I did this, I’d just admit I screwed up. And killing my son would be so awful that I’d not give any shits about what they choose to do with me. Because all I’d care about is that my son was dead.

  23. He has a huge victim complex – seems to miss the fact that the only victim is the child, and the child’s innocent family members suffering as a result of the poor lad’s death.

  24. If he’s working on the farm why was no one watching the kid in the first place. What if the dog turned while he was working. What excuse would he use then. Toddlers do not understand what safe means even if you tell them. The poor kid probably wanted or needed something and I’m presuming no one was round to ask so he went to get his dad. His words say a lot about him “I shouldn’t be going through this” .

    A farm is a dangerous place to leave a kid unattended and free to roam. You can tell a toddler not to talk to strangers but they still do.

  25. >Is it truly exceptionally bad, neglectful behaviour?

    I mean if somebody died as a result of it then yes, yes it is. Did he really think we’d all go “oh well, accidents happen” when the consequences of his behaviour are so extreme?

  26. > “One bit of human error… has ruined my life.”

    I imagine his kids life isn’t too great rn either.

    Some people lack absolute personal responsibility.

  27. This guy must be nuts

    >Giving evidence at at Minshull Street Crown Court on Wednesday (January 29), he wept as he told jurors: “I shouldn’t have to do this, it’s f*****g not fair. I shouldn’t have left him in the garden, we all know that. I have not met the standard of care. Is it truly exceptionally bad, neglectful behaviour? No. I messed up, I made a mistake.”

    >He jurors that as the telehandler had a missing wing mirror, he would ‘check profusely’ for blind spots, but said he didn’t see his son. He said: “I am always careful in what I do. He was my little boy.” Asked to describe what happened next, he said: “You felt a bump instantly. I had travelled 10cm, 20cm… I stopped instantly. It was a split second.

  28. If i killed my little boy the grief would overwhelm me that i would beg to go to prison and be put in solitary for life .

  29. I don’t get it, if I’d accidentally caused the death of my child I’d be sitting there saying that it was my fault and I deserved whatever punishment they wanted to dish out because nothing could be worse than the way I’d be feeling for the rest of my life.

  30. “He jurors that as the telehandler had a missing wing mirror, he would ‘check profusely’ for blind spots, but said he didn’t see his son.”

    Tried to fill the missing blanks and it still doesn’t read right.

  31. It does seem a bit pointless tbh. His mistake cost him his son. There’s not really a higher price he can pay for his mistake 

  32. It’s gross negligence but I’m not sure what this case adds . He knows . That poor little toddler is dead . His life is ruined anyway .

  33. >”One bit of human error… has ruined my life.”

    No one bit of your human error has literally ruined your son’s life, that’s what you’re on trial for. This guy has some major main character syndrome going on.

  34. I’m in America. Most farmers around me have small children sit in their lap and learn how to use the machinery at that age. This way the child learns how to use it and the parent keeps an eye on them at the same time. If that is not possible for whatever reason. the child is indoors with someone else minding them at all times because a child outside with farm machinery unsupervised is a dead child.

  35. Suspect opinion on this will be divided along the line between the zero-empathy lot who can never admit to making a mistake (aka Brexiteers) and everyone else.

  36. >A dad a jury has heard 

    >He jurors that as the telehandler had a missing wing mirror

    Who fucking wrote this? Do they speak English?

  37. I don’t understand why this even went to trial. I would have thought someone who killed their own child would be so broken that they’d just plead guilty and accept whatever you wanted to do to them.

  38. “I shouldn’t have left him in the garden, we all know that. I have not met the standard of care. Is it truly exceptionally bad, neglectful behaviour? No. I messed up, I made a mistake.”

    If the moment of neglect that leads to the death of a child doesn’t count as “truly exceptionally bad, neglectful behavior”, what tf does?!?!

  39. “Is it truly exceptionally bad, neglectful behaviour?”

    Yes. Fuck off.

  40. >”One bit of human error… has ruined my life.”

    Runs over a kid and says “ruined my life”?!?!? What do you mean “my”? Good lord…

  41. well he can spend a good 8 years saying ‘im sorry’ and crying infront of his stoic cellmate Ivan who is in the corner of the room doing a poo and not flinching.

  42. If I killed my son I’d happily go to jail. Wouldn’t even fight it.

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