If genuinely united and properly working together, there is good reason to believe that top spot would be wrong too
Yep. Go EU!
That’s the whole point of EU yes.
Why do you think Musk (and thus Trump as his lapdog) supports EU parties that are eurosceptic? Divide and conquer.
#1: There is no “EU with UK”.
#2: My Outlook Database says Nigeria makes the most profit, they have millions of rich princes.
Second Renaissance now
It’s actually crazy how the USA is still 5 trillion ahead. What happened, how did the EU fall so far behind?
UK would still be #6 on the table on the right…
I want to be back in the EU so bad 😭
It is the plan of putin and trump after all. Dividing EU and weakened EU is their goals
Wow the discovery of the hot water.
Canada wants in too plz. We can rename North America to Canadian Europe and it’ll be fine.
Adding nominal GDP doesn’t prove anything. If you add 100 poorest countries together their total will be higher but change nothing in the lives of their citizens.
There are good reasons for United Europe, but this chart isn’t it.
And this is just adding up the disparate deconomies, there would be force multipliers invovled in this, it’s likely we’d soar past the US. And that’s why all these other forces are workign so hard to keep us apart.
If
In the late 2000s the EU economy was actually bigger than that of the USA…
We chose austerity, they chose growth…
The blame is on the conservative political decisions made by Germany, the Netherlands and the other “frugal” countries, which had the money…
Add Japan and Canada to EU and US can go fk themself
These things always need more context. The US debt to GDP ratio is 135%. Germany is 62%. A goal of the EU is to keep this ratio under 60%. Remember this when people say ‘US is leaving Europe behind’. The growth in Europe is deliberate to be longterm sustainable. Every person in America owes $200k of the national debt by age 30 and they don’t get much for that. In the EU it’s $50k and that comes with significantly more social infrastructure and benefit for the people. It’s not perfect but who’s better off?
But I completely agree in a more united Europe! Let’s get the UK back in, let’s get Ukraine in, let’s see if Canada is keen.
Not to be that person, but when combined we can’t beat USA, that is sad
Not that I disagree with the thrust, but it’s a mistake to measure anything solely by GDP. Life is complicated and there are many important metrics.
If you want a more abstract reason for why people should come together it’s because the scale of our problems grow with time. This means you need more resources to deal with those problems. If we don’t abandon tribalistic tendencies then there will come a time when no single tribe has the resource to solve the problems being faced, or the tribalism will prevent people from pooling their resources to address the problem. If a tribe can just withdraw, like Trump has done from the WHO, and cripple the ability for that organisation to continue functioning, we have a serious problem with the general design of society.
The only solution is to remove all the friction caused by tribalism by moving as quickly as possible to irradiate tribe mentality. The sooner that we do this the better off we will all be. How easy would the climate crisis be to solve if there was a single planetary government all pulling in the same direction?
We need to improve people’s epistemology so that they are no longer swayed by poor arguments and bad evidence and then we need to unite everyone. Empiricism is a demonstrably superior methodology to truth than anything else and yet we allow so much in society to unfold without requiring it. Just the other day trump was admonishing recruitment policy for a tragic accident. Nobody in a position of power should be able to assert anything without also having to provide the evidence to back up their assertion. If someone can’t provide the evidence for their assertions then they simply shouldn’t be in the position they’re in because that’s demonstrating that they’re not in harmony with objective reality.
The EU only had to listen to the UK’s concerns and it might have stayed.
**BREAKING NEWS: 1+1=2**
There’s always a core and peripheries in an empire, there’s always someone getting screwed over so someone can live a luxurious lifestyle.
European federalism is nothing more than a thin veil for western European imperialist sentiments. You can’t exploit Africans or Indonesians anymore so you’re looking for someone else to scam into joining a neocolonial project.
The EU should be an organization of sovereign nations if it wants to be seen as legitimate anywhere but in its privileged core.
The funny thing is that is WHY the US is so great. It is really a bunch of seperate states banded together to form one United nation. Hence why it is called the United States of America…
And if it had just been a tight economic union coupled with Nato the UK would still be in.
Yea fuck that, ain’t going to cozy up the swedes or the fr*nch.
As an European, good luck with that.
Even if we discount the dissidents, the larger economies wont want to cooperate to the point of us competing with the US.
Hell we couldn’t even agree on where to place the “EU capital” and the french people would never ever let Strasbourg go.
Particularly appreciate a europe economics post where the figures are in euros not dollars
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If genuinely united and properly working together, there is good reason to believe that top spot would be wrong too
Yep. Go EU!
That’s the whole point of EU yes.
Why do you think Musk (and thus Trump as his lapdog) supports EU parties that are eurosceptic? Divide and conquer.
#1: There is no “EU with UK”.
#2: My Outlook Database says Nigeria makes the most profit, they have millions of rich princes.
Second Renaissance now
It’s actually crazy how the USA is still 5 trillion ahead. What happened, how did the EU fall so far behind?
UK would still be #6 on the table on the right…
I want to be back in the EU so bad 😭
It is the plan of putin and trump after all. Dividing EU and weakened EU is their goals
Wow the discovery of the hot water.
Canada wants in too plz. We can rename North America to Canadian Europe and it’ll be fine.
Adding nominal GDP doesn’t prove anything. If you add 100 poorest countries together their total will be higher but change nothing in the lives of their citizens.
There are good reasons for United Europe, but this chart isn’t it.
And this is just adding up the disparate deconomies, there would be force multipliers invovled in this, it’s likely we’d soar past the US. And that’s why all these other forces are workign so hard to keep us apart.
If
In the late 2000s the EU economy was actually bigger than that of the USA…
We chose austerity, they chose growth…
The blame is on the conservative political decisions made by Germany, the Netherlands and the other “frugal” countries, which had the money…
Add Japan and Canada to EU and US can go fk themself
These things always need more context. The US debt to GDP ratio is 135%. Germany is 62%. A goal of the EU is to keep this ratio under 60%. Remember this when people say ‘US is leaving Europe behind’. The growth in Europe is deliberate to be longterm sustainable. Every person in America owes $200k of the national debt by age 30 and they don’t get much for that. In the EU it’s $50k and that comes with significantly more social infrastructure and benefit for the people. It’s not perfect but who’s better off?
But I completely agree in a more united Europe! Let’s get the UK back in, let’s get Ukraine in, let’s see if Canada is keen.
Not to be that person, but when combined we can’t beat USA, that is sad
Not that I disagree with the thrust, but it’s a mistake to measure anything solely by GDP. Life is complicated and there are many important metrics.
If you want a more abstract reason for why people should come together it’s because the scale of our problems grow with time. This means you need more resources to deal with those problems. If we don’t abandon tribalistic tendencies then there will come a time when no single tribe has the resource to solve the problems being faced, or the tribalism will prevent people from pooling their resources to address the problem. If a tribe can just withdraw, like Trump has done from the WHO, and cripple the ability for that organisation to continue functioning, we have a serious problem with the general design of society.
The only solution is to remove all the friction caused by tribalism by moving as quickly as possible to irradiate tribe mentality. The sooner that we do this the better off we will all be. How easy would the climate crisis be to solve if there was a single planetary government all pulling in the same direction?
We need to improve people’s epistemology so that they are no longer swayed by poor arguments and bad evidence and then we need to unite everyone. Empiricism is a demonstrably superior methodology to truth than anything else and yet we allow so much in society to unfold without requiring it. Just the other day trump was admonishing recruitment policy for a tragic accident. Nobody in a position of power should be able to assert anything without also having to provide the evidence to back up their assertion. If someone can’t provide the evidence for their assertions then they simply shouldn’t be in the position they’re in because that’s demonstrating that they’re not in harmony with objective reality.
The EU only had to listen to the UK’s concerns and it might have stayed.
**BREAKING NEWS: 1+1=2**
There’s always a core and peripheries in an empire, there’s always someone getting screwed over so someone can live a luxurious lifestyle.
European federalism is nothing more than a thin veil for western European imperialist sentiments. You can’t exploit Africans or Indonesians anymore so you’re looking for someone else to scam into joining a neocolonial project.
The EU should be an organization of sovereign nations if it wants to be seen as legitimate anywhere but in its privileged core.
The funny thing is that is WHY the US is so great. It is really a bunch of seperate states banded together to form one United nation. Hence why it is called the United States of America…
And if it had just been a tight economic union coupled with Nato the UK would still be in.
Yea fuck that, ain’t going to cozy up the swedes or the fr*nch.
As an European, good luck with that.
Even if we discount the dissidents, the larger economies wont want to cooperate to the point of us competing with the US.
Hell we couldn’t even agree on where to place the “EU capital” and the french people would never ever let Strasbourg go.
Particularly appreciate a europe economics post where the figures are in euros not dollars
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