>”I had to do what I thought was the right thing,” Mr Blair said.
>He said the decisions he took were complicated […]
Sounds like a great legal defence for a war criminal.
I cant even, how many people protested ? It was the last mass protest in the uk because it did nothing; this, guy had to do what he thought best, he should feel fucking guilty. He convinced an entire generation that it doesnt really matter who you vote for, they are all self serving cunts in the end
Tony Blair was rewarded for pushing us into a war with an innocent country at the other side of the world.
He should be on trial for war crimes instead.
I know it’s not the point of the post, but as far as Archbishops of Canterbury go I’d say Justin Welby is the one who sides the most with the moneylenders in the Temple than sides with the man trying to drive them out.
As for challenged on Iraq, that should be at the Hague, not a fluff piece interview on BBC radio.
Blair and New Labour’s war was an awful stain on what was a very good prime minister and government. Unfortunately the left and right use the war to distract from the good that New Labour did for the country. Tory governments before and after have been dross.
I do really hate the rehabilitation of Blair, particularly at the moment with everyone going on – the lesson we should be learning from him is that *this is what governments do* and that whether it’s “right” is, at the time without all the relevant information, essentially a matter of perspective.
Literally Blair is using the *same justification for Iraq as Putin is for Ukraine*; doing what’s right for *your* country when you “see something bad” (subjectively for you, as a country).
That is also Putin’s argument. I disagree with both – subjectively, nationalistically, there’s *always* a reason you can justify violence – because nationalism is dehumanising. If you understand the world in terms of borders, everyone is a threat all the time *to some degree*.
All wars can be justified on those terms *to some degree* and those are the terms on which they justified Iraq – because everything they said was actual evidence (WMDs, plans for invasions of their own) were outright lies. Yes Saddam was a despot and yes, the Iraqi people suffered – but that was and is true of half the world still today. Tenuously, you could use that as justification to invade America.
What we as the West should be taking away from all of this is that whether Ukraine and Iraq are the same thing is arguably a matter of perspective – and that it’s worth noting that Iraq came with a tidal wave of moralising about our “our duty” to police the world – we convinced ourselves *we were the good guys* and exported that media narrative all over the world while we did it.
We invaded a sovereign nation on tenuous grounds and did so whilst spouting extremely questionable rhetoric about being the “good guys” in the world (which also de facto means anyone who opposes us is “bad”) – and 20 years and 10million deaths later we just left because it cost too much.
We should be learning that instead of gearing up for WWIII we should be ensuring *no one* can continue Imperialist wars of occupation – not wheeling our own (arguable) war criminal out for a press tour.
War crimes, ask the families of all our dead an injured soldiers
I hate Tony as I’ve just commented
But the archbishop is a member of a religious cult that is responsible for the dark ages and is one of the main reasons why women were/are oppresed
Guilty of one of the best damn governments this country has ever, and will ever see. Always got mad respect for Tony Blair.
The fact _Tony Blair_ is seen as a great PM really shows how low our standards are as a country
I’m sure he thought it was right, that does not make it so though. Plenty of wars have been started for the same reason and you’d be hard-pressed to say any of them were the right thing to do in hindsight. I suppose it is easier to say something like this when you did not have to fight yourself though.
Fuck Blue Labour and fuck his spiritual successor dragging their party back to those dark days of Blairism/Brownism.
What the fuck.
“Yeah, I knew people thought it was a bad thing to do, but Im going to justify it by saying ‘god’.”
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>”I had to do what I thought was the right thing,” Mr Blair said.
>He said the decisions he took were complicated […]
Sounds like a great legal defence for a war criminal.
I cant even, how many people protested ? It was the last mass protest in the uk because it did nothing; this, guy had to do what he thought best, he should feel fucking guilty. He convinced an entire generation that it doesnt really matter who you vote for, they are all self serving cunts in the end
Tony Blair was rewarded for pushing us into a war with an innocent country at the other side of the world.
He should be on trial for war crimes instead.
I know it’s not the point of the post, but as far as Archbishops of Canterbury go I’d say Justin Welby is the one who sides the most with the moneylenders in the Temple than sides with the man trying to drive them out.
>Mr Blair, a Catholic
I’m sure he will be delighted at Labour continuing to team up with the Orange Order then https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19967984.former-orange-order-leader-stands-scottish-labour-may-elections/
As for challenged on Iraq, that should be at the Hague, not a fluff piece interview on BBC radio.
Blair and New Labour’s war was an awful stain on what was a very good prime minister and government. Unfortunately the left and right use the war to distract from the good that New Labour did for the country. Tory governments before and after have been dross.
I do really hate the rehabilitation of Blair, particularly at the moment with everyone going on – the lesson we should be learning from him is that *this is what governments do* and that whether it’s “right” is, at the time without all the relevant information, essentially a matter of perspective.
Literally Blair is using the *same justification for Iraq as Putin is for Ukraine*; doing what’s right for *your* country when you “see something bad” (subjectively for you, as a country).
That is also Putin’s argument. I disagree with both – subjectively, nationalistically, there’s *always* a reason you can justify violence – because nationalism is dehumanising. If you understand the world in terms of borders, everyone is a threat all the time *to some degree*.
All wars can be justified on those terms *to some degree* and those are the terms on which they justified Iraq – because everything they said was actual evidence (WMDs, plans for invasions of their own) were outright lies. Yes Saddam was a despot and yes, the Iraqi people suffered – but that was and is true of half the world still today. Tenuously, you could use that as justification to invade America.
What we as the West should be taking away from all of this is that whether Ukraine and Iraq are the same thing is arguably a matter of perspective – and that it’s worth noting that Iraq came with a tidal wave of moralising about our “our duty” to police the world – we convinced ourselves *we were the good guys* and exported that media narrative all over the world while we did it.
We invaded a sovereign nation on tenuous grounds and did so whilst spouting extremely questionable rhetoric about being the “good guys” in the world (which also de facto means anyone who opposes us is “bad”) – and 20 years and 10million deaths later we just left because it cost too much.
We should be learning that instead of gearing up for WWIII we should be ensuring *no one* can continue Imperialist wars of occupation – not wheeling our own (arguable) war criminal out for a press tour.
War crimes, ask the families of all our dead an injured soldiers
I hate Tony as I’ve just commented
But the archbishop is a member of a religious cult that is responsible for the dark ages and is one of the main reasons why women were/are oppresed
Guilty of one of the best damn governments this country has ever, and will ever see. Always got mad respect for Tony Blair.
The fact _Tony Blair_ is seen as a great PM really shows how low our standards are as a country
I’m sure he thought it was right, that does not make it so though. Plenty of wars have been started for the same reason and you’d be hard-pressed to say any of them were the right thing to do in hindsight. I suppose it is easier to say something like this when you did not have to fight yourself though.
Fuck Blue Labour and fuck his spiritual successor dragging their party back to those dark days of Blairism/Brownism.
What the fuck.
“Yeah, I knew people thought it was a bad thing to do, but Im going to justify it by saying ‘god’.”
Why is religion on the rise.