Is it time for an EU-USA separation?

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1. I think the EU can stop the Russians alone. Maybe we should get 2000 nukes outside of NATO. Also if the USA goes alone, then the EU should consider the Chinese alternative. Nothing personal, it is just business. *It is not what we want,* but if Trump likes isolationism then we should consider alternatives.

2. iIt has been time for this for a long time. There has been a growing EU US split ever since the Iraq War. Republican presidents tend to exaggerate this rift and democratic presidents tend to down play it, but the trend is clear.

   The EU needs strategic autonomy in foreign policy. We cannot blindly attack ourselves to the USA. The Iraq War was a disaster that did not serve EU interest. Israel does not serve EU interest. EU and US have different goals in Ukraine (primarily, the US wants Ukraine and Russia to fight for as long as possible without one ever winning, EU should want a free and safe Ukraine as soon as possible). EU needs to start eliminating national foreign relations offices and cede these roles to the union, we need a European army, we need a European nuclear force, we need a European space agency (already happening), and we need to start making our presence felt in the arctic.

3. It’ll be cheaper and better off to pump up defense spending and make economic adjustments with the US. Whatever Trump plans to do economically is nothing compared to what the CCP has already been doing behind the scenes for decades.

4. Us Americans consider many European nations to be leeches. They rely on us for everything and skirt their own sovereignty. Then when times get tough they come running to Daddy for more cash. I think it’s time Daddy America tells little Billy Europe it’s time to learn to wipe his own ass after a poo poo.

   Their security is subsidized by the US and their industry relies on cheap import of raw materials and labor from African nations. They are a pitiful shell of their self.

5. The time should have been after the first invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

   Anyway, the sooner, the better.

6. I personally don’t think the US and EU would stop being allies. They share a lot in common – economically, politically and culturally. The US was the deciding force in both World Wars and, even today, has the most advanced military tech which, in large part, is keeping Russia from taking over Ukraine. Whether we like it or not, NATO has guaranteed EU security and allowed the Union to become what it is today – a tolerant, accepting power.

   Trump might be looking to change things up, but decades of international law and trade are what the US-Europe alliance is built on. Any major change to that will harm both sides and not just the EU. Despite the isolationist rhetoric, America can’t defend itself and its interests on its own. International politics is way more complex than that.

   But in all honesty, the EU should’ve seen this coming. The US began showing cracks at least a decade ago.

7. No just wait 4 years

8. This is a rather old article, written in September 2024, before the election in the USA and so spends a lot of time speculating on what Harris or Trump might do. Well we know now what Trump is doing and so it is time for an update.

9. This is Russia and China’s wet dream and their troll accounts herea are all for it.

10. In fact, the USA began to find the strategy of giving more freedom and role to allies reasonable during the Obama era. In this context, ideas such as the French-led coalition’s Nato intervention in Libya were signs of this. There are 2 scenarios for USA. The strategy of waiting behind and then showing your strength, as before the World War II, and the other being the mistake made by the Soviet Union in offending its allies in Yugoslavia and China. Right now, Trump seems to be doing the second scenario to Europe.

    Europe was sympathetic to the desire for strategic autonomy. At least some countries, including France, have this idea. However, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine caused Europe to become even more dependent on the USA for energy and security. Another situation, if we leave Russia aside, is the fact that countries that are enemies of the USA, such as China and Iran, do not actually have a bad view of the EU as expected, on the contrary, they are positive about cooperation.

    In a European scenario without the USA, would Russia become even more aggressive, or would it force the EU to accept some of its demands and seek economic gains and establish its influence through soft power, diplomacy, arms exports, energy resources, strong intelligence and diplomacy? The war in Ukraine may give the impression that it will become aggressive.

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