If there was data available to them pointing to the figures the CSO released… yes, definitely.
You could argue that people voting for FF or FG knew what housing policy/results they were voting for, but I think that decrease in housing output is a bit of a horrible shock even vs. what’s expected of them.
Nope.. Just the majority of voters aren’t too affected by housing crisis
This housing crisis has been going on for a decade now- they’re in bed with banks and developers this is a fabricated crisis they won’t resolve anything as the banks will be exposed if house prices come down
The voters knew what FFG are doing in and endorsed the bull****. 🤷♂️
Misled? No.
We were blatantly lied to
Yes….they claimed to.be expecting 40,000+ when barely 30,000 were built
It was an outright lie
I wouldn’t trust em about not wanting to join NATO either
Note when that article was written, eight days before the election on ***November 21st 2024***, and then note what he admits to in his article from today:
>But there were strong indications last autumn that housing completions were unlikely to increase.
>On ***18 September*** the Central Bank forecast there would be fewer homes built last year than in 2023.
>Then on ***24 October*** the CSO published figures for the first three quarters of 2024 which showed house completions were lagging behind the previous year, at 21,634 compared to 22,325 in 2023.
Yes.
They would still vote FF/FG even in every member of SF was outside with a bucket and a shovel building houses.
They always mislead us. None of the promises are fulfilled and the country slowly gets worse.
Daragh O Brien is a complete spoofer . He clearly cannot count and he weould swear on his mother life that 40k houses would be built last year . Even 6 weeks before the end of the year with 28k houses built the man was on television still saying we would hit 40k houses. The weird thing is people actually voted him back in so we are the problem. Rewarding bullshit sure look at that crook Michael Lowery got caught taking loads of back handers and the people of Tipperary keep voting the gangster in .
What? Those west brit shitehawks lied to their voters? I’m shocked, SHOCKED.
Lol, which one?
The majority of people who voted for them were older people that already have their homes and aren’t so worried… that’s the only way I can rationalise believing anything they said , after they had already done nothing about it whilst they were in govt.
Yes, but I think the people who keep voting FF/FG in would have voted for them if they had only built 100 homes. They are either doing well themselves or are scared of the alternative.
Misled, the polite way of saying someone lied.
Honestly I can’t believe that anyone actually believes what politicians say in the lead up to an election. It has been proven time and again to be total crap.
Yes.
Yes and helped and enabled by Rte, the Irish times, Indo/Sindo et al who shamelessly rowed in against the opposition.
If government are talking rubbish it is up to all the other parties and journalists to call them out. That is their job.
Acting like this is some conspiracy to deceive the electorate is bollocks. The information on housing completions and commencements is in the public domain.
FF & FG always say stuff like “I believe we’re on the right track” or “I’m optimistic about projections”. Its up to opposition to state the facts.
-Were voters misled on housing before the election?-
Are voters even thinking twice about who they put a number beside on their ballot paper?
Are voters too thick to do even five minutes of independent research on their vote?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It certainly seemed to be beggars belief, and I am totally unsurprised that the target wasn’t met, nevermind surpassed.
The usual dichotomy of idiot/liar leans more towards liar for me.
The only thing from the figures that could be good news is the amount of houses that were started. If its a longer term strategy, lie now to get back in, and then deliver way above the targets later, but without an increase in actual capacity, it’s not possible. The government certainly encouraged starting building, and that’s reflected in the figures. This obviously reduced completions. My question is: will be seeing the number of houses started reduce significantly?
When Daragh’s October comments were shared, there was a commenter posting about the idea that this is a fly wheel system where the numbers will just keep going up…. I was very sceptical of this…. wonder if they might comment on the latest figures. It was unclear if they were in the know or just stauch government supporters/believers.
And, as predicted, policy changes including rental caps and preventing BTR has driven away investment and reduced supply. People have been making the point here for years that rent caps reduce supply, I hope the fact that has now happened changes the minds of some people who think rent caps are an easy answer.
>It said the government changed regulations in December 2022 and “build to rent”, where investors develop an apartment block to let to tenants, was no longer permitted as a category under planning.
>It said there were similar policy changes “which resulted in co-living being banned before it was given a chance to prove itself”.
>It also said the introduction of rent caps and the way they were introduced “was the final straw for a lot of the international funds, who have taken their business elsewhere”.
When you understand the FF/FG have nothing but utter contempt for the electorate, then you understand they are always lying.
Everyone says housing is the most important but if you ask the politicians and voters what would they would compromise on, you get a a huge mixture of response. The problem is that everyone wants a housing solution that doesn’t upset anyone. So a lot of political parties want to avoid the really difficult questions on housing and voters let them, so to say anyone was misled means that people allow themselves to be misled.
>Mitchell McDermott blames that on previous government policy which it says has discouraged international investors from putting funds into residential construction.
>It said the government changed regulations in December 2022 and “build to rent”, where investors develop an apartment block to let to tenants, was no longer permitted as a category under planning.
>It said there were similar policy changes “which resulted in co-living being banned before it was given a chance to prove itself”.
>It also said the introduction of rent caps and the way they were introduced “was the final straw for a lot of the international funds, who have taken their business elsewhere”.
What’s that old line about democracy giving people what they want?
FF and FG lie? No, never. You just misheard what they said..
If anyone voted FFG on a strong housing policy and high build completion rate is a fucking idiot plain and simple. People who relied on RTE, the mouthpiece of the government to give unbiased information about the government in the lead up to the election, are very niave.
No refunds.
Newstalk had been pushing this narrative for months leading up to the election. When an opposition member challenged it, arguing that it wasn’t true, they were dismissed as a liar because “the figures don’t lie.”
You mean LIED to?
Without a shadow of a doubt and RTE failed in their purpose to hold the government accountable for their actions.
As the main news organisation in Ireland they are charged with highlighting government failures and setting the agenda for discussion. Without a shadow of a doubt they dropped the ball here before the election. Choosing to spend nearly a month discussing a reference letter from some fella who was kicked out of Sinn Fein, meanwhile crony practices rob the Irish tax payer blind and a self interested government line their buddies pockets.
This article is hypocrisy.
Does the pope shit in the woods? (I’ve heard that he does, source: bears).
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If there was data available to them pointing to the figures the CSO released… yes, definitely.
You could argue that people voting for FF or FG knew what housing policy/results they were voting for, but I think that decrease in housing output is a bit of a horrible shock even vs. what’s expected of them.
Nope.. Just the majority of voters aren’t too affected by housing crisis
This housing crisis has been going on for a decade now- they’re in bed with banks and developers this is a fabricated crisis they won’t resolve anything as the banks will be exposed if house prices come down
The voters knew what FFG are doing in and endorsed the bull****. 🤷♂️
Misled? No.
We were blatantly lied to
Yes….they claimed to.be expecting 40,000+ when barely 30,000 were built
It was an outright lie
I wouldn’t trust em about not wanting to join NATO either
They absolutely were, and in the lead up to the election the likes of the author of this very article were more than happy to facilitate FFG in doing so: [https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/1121/1482203-home-commencements-up-62-in-october-dept-of-housing/](https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/1121/1482203-home-commencements-up-62-in-october-dept-of-housing/)
Note when that article was written, eight days before the election on ***November 21st 2024***, and then note what he admits to in his article from today:
>But there were strong indications last autumn that housing completions were unlikely to increase.
>On ***18 September*** the Central Bank forecast there would be fewer homes built last year than in 2023.
>Then on ***24 October*** the CSO published figures for the first three quarters of 2024 which showed house completions were lagging behind the previous year, at 21,634 compared to 22,325 in 2023.
Yes.
They would still vote FF/FG even in every member of SF was outside with a bucket and a shovel building houses.
They always mislead us. None of the promises are fulfilled and the country slowly gets worse.
Daragh O Brien is a complete spoofer . He clearly cannot count and he weould swear on his mother life that 40k houses would be built last year . Even 6 weeks before the end of the year with 28k houses built the man was on television still saying we would hit 40k houses. The weird thing is people actually voted him back in so we are the problem. Rewarding bullshit sure look at that crook Michael Lowery got caught taking loads of back handers and the people of Tipperary keep voting the gangster in .
What? Those west brit shitehawks lied to their voters? I’m shocked, SHOCKED.
Lol, which one?
The majority of people who voted for them were older people that already have their homes and aren’t so worried… that’s the only way I can rationalise believing anything they said , after they had already done nothing about it whilst they were in govt.
Yes, but I think the people who keep voting FF/FG in would have voted for them if they had only built 100 homes. They are either doing well themselves or are scared of the alternative.
Misled, the polite way of saying someone lied.
Honestly I can’t believe that anyone actually believes what politicians say in the lead up to an election. It has been proven time and again to be total crap.
Yes.
Yes and helped and enabled by Rte, the Irish times, Indo/Sindo et al who shamelessly rowed in against the opposition.
If government are talking rubbish it is up to all the other parties and journalists to call them out. That is their job.
Acting like this is some conspiracy to deceive the electorate is bollocks. The information on housing completions and commencements is in the public domain.
FF & FG always say stuff like “I believe we’re on the right track” or “I’m optimistic about projections”. Its up to opposition to state the facts.
-Were voters misled on housing before the election?-
Are voters even thinking twice about who they put a number beside on their ballot paper?
Are voters too thick to do even five minutes of independent research on their vote?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It certainly seemed to be beggars belief, and I am totally unsurprised that the target wasn’t met, nevermind surpassed.
The usual dichotomy of idiot/liar leans more towards liar for me.
The only thing from the figures that could be good news is the amount of houses that were started. If its a longer term strategy, lie now to get back in, and then deliver way above the targets later, but without an increase in actual capacity, it’s not possible. The government certainly encouraged starting building, and that’s reflected in the figures. This obviously reduced completions. My question is: will be seeing the number of houses started reduce significantly?
When Daragh’s October comments were shared, there was a commenter posting about the idea that this is a fly wheel system where the numbers will just keep going up…. I was very sceptical of this…. wonder if they might comment on the latest figures. It was unclear if they were in the know or just stauch government supporters/believers.
And, as predicted, policy changes including rental caps and preventing BTR has driven away investment and reduced supply. People have been making the point here for years that rent caps reduce supply, I hope the fact that has now happened changes the minds of some people who think rent caps are an easy answer.
>It said the government changed regulations in December 2022 and “build to rent”, where investors develop an apartment block to let to tenants, was no longer permitted as a category under planning.
>It said there were similar policy changes “which resulted in co-living being banned before it was given a chance to prove itself”.
>It also said the introduction of rent caps and the way they were introduced “was the final straw for a lot of the international funds, who have taken their business elsewhere”.
When you understand the FF/FG have nothing but utter contempt for the electorate, then you understand they are always lying.
Everyone says housing is the most important but if you ask the politicians and voters what would they would compromise on, you get a a huge mixture of response. The problem is that everyone wants a housing solution that doesn’t upset anyone. So a lot of political parties want to avoid the really difficult questions on housing and voters let them, so to say anyone was misled means that people allow themselves to be misled.
>Mitchell McDermott blames that on previous government policy which it says has discouraged international investors from putting funds into residential construction.
>It said the government changed regulations in December 2022 and “build to rent”, where investors develop an apartment block to let to tenants, was no longer permitted as a category under planning.
>It said there were similar policy changes “which resulted in co-living being banned before it was given a chance to prove itself”.
>It also said the introduction of rent caps and the way they were introduced “was the final straw for a lot of the international funds, who have taken their business elsewhere”.
What’s that old line about democracy giving people what they want?
FF and FG lie? No, never. You just misheard what they said..
If anyone voted FFG on a strong housing policy and high build completion rate is a fucking idiot plain and simple. People who relied on RTE, the mouthpiece of the government to give unbiased information about the government in the lead up to the election, are very niave.
No refunds.
Newstalk had been pushing this narrative for months leading up to the election. When an opposition member challenged it, arguing that it wasn’t true, they were dismissed as a liar because “the figures don’t lie.”
You mean LIED to?
Without a shadow of a doubt and RTE failed in their purpose to hold the government accountable for their actions.
As the main news organisation in Ireland they are charged with highlighting government failures and setting the agenda for discussion. Without a shadow of a doubt they dropped the ball here before the election. Choosing to spend nearly a month discussing a reference letter from some fella who was kicked out of Sinn Fein, meanwhile crony practices rob the Irish tax payer blind and a self interested government line their buddies pockets.
This article is hypocrisy.
Does the pope shit in the woods? (I’ve heard that he does, source: bears).
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