*We mapped the dozens of pubs forced to shut early or that faced closure last year due to everything from “faint giggles” to “constant honking” from cars.*
The whole system needs looking at. Four residents complaining shouldn’t change the license or operating hours of a pub, it’s ridiculous. If you move in next to a pub and complain about the noise, then you’re an idiot.
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drink at home
Bricklayers is a banger of a pub, trust wanker Putney neighbours to come for it.
Boroughs are the problem and until licensing and planning are taken out of their control it will only get worse.
I’m going to imagine the flower of Kent wasn’t just noise issues
Councils and the Mayor are the problem. They need to stop bowing down to NIMBYs who want to turn the city into somewhere like a more sterile version of Zurich.
Same applies to dickheads who buy a flat/house near a music venue and complain about noise. The Jazz Cafe in Camden was nearly closed down because of such complaints.
Noise complaints have already levelled several venues in Brighton, we can’t let this trend continue in London. The self interest of a few entitled tenants who choose to live in the few busy and thriving areas of the city doesn’t outweigh the positive impact these places have for the rest.
I used to live near the Arch in Wembley. By near I was about 150m away and it was loud as fuck.
They bring huge audio systems out into the pub garden and would blast shit until 2am.
It’s not a real pub, zero atmosphere, it’s just for cunts after match days.
So dumb.
Living in London is to accept that you will have neighbours from all walks of life, commercial or residential. You accept the old and the young, the rich and the poor, the start ups and the institutions.
I really take umbrage with people who think that they deserve things to change just because they have arrived there. No, you moved to Soho and you live above a major street – of course you should expect noise & the bars empty out anywhere between 1-6am and this is a nightlife hotspot, as evidenced by literally any website you visit. Didn’t do your research properly? Neither the bars nor the clientele’s problem.
Also no reason to complain about things shutting early, no more zone 1, more foxes round their bins, etc. I really don’t think that people have a valid complaint if they have moved into an area with a pre-existing nightlife.
I don’t care about noise from the pub across the street because it was there when I moved in. I don’t care about unreasonable noise from neighbours because I should understand that is what happens when you live in a flat. I would probably care if a new place popped up across the road and caused a racket but our nightlife spots are dwindling in number, as far as I understand.
I live close to a pub. The owners managed to stop virtually all the complaints by controlling the noise of outdoor drinkers, being ruthlessly intolerant of drunken thug types and engaging positively with residents around their concerns.
A friend of mine runs a pub/music venue in North Kent, where for over 30 years he had no noise problems mainly because it was in an old ex-industrial area. Then the developers started and even after consultation and warnings from the landlord, they assured him he wouldn’t be affected. Guess what? Within weeks of residents moving in a couple complained! He’s had to abide by a couple of new rules (even though he has sound proofing throughout), but he fought hard against it with the very obvious reason ‘they knew where they were moving to’.
Reading about the Kilburn Arms is infuriating. Lovely little pub that’s well established within the community, yet people move in next door and start complaining about the noise. Of course the council sides with the residents and demands the pub changes it’s ways to accommodate the neighbours (you know, the ones who chose to move into a property next to a pub expecting silence).
*buys house next to pub* *complains that pub makes noise* complete and utter cunts
Housing is more important than alcohol. Bin the pubs and create more affordable housing
Used to run a pub in East Dulwich, constant battling with the local residents. It’s shut now and nothing replaced, was a lovely place too.
Amazes me when people move to high density areas and complain about noises. Let’s be honest if you move next to a pub and complain about a pub your a idiot. Even more stupid when it’s the most densely populated city in the country. Don’t expect to open your curtains in the morning and hear silence.
British culture is being eroded swiftly. This will only speed up more pubs closing as they are getting taxed to high heaven and not many can afford the prices.
It also doesn’t help that the UK has the smallest housing in Europe. These new builds have tailor made furniture to fit places to make it look more spacious than it actually is. They also cut back on sound proofing so developers can maximise profits.
People are paying silly amounts of money for non-quality outcomes which encourage less social cohesion.
Once upon a time London was less transient it use to have proper communities who would be able to discuss things without running to the authorities and wasting time.
The loud noise being people saying “flipping heck, how much?”
i live near the nags head and they are a complete nightmare, they have kareoke at full blast with speakers meant for outdoor events going to 3 in the morning most weekends, I dont even live that close…
People saying they want C. London to go 24 hours with transport and night life and yet on the other hand, everything is closing down because, for example, people move into Soho because of the bustling community, then complain about the noise.
It makes no sense to me.
Some people on here are posting very balanced views on the subject which I can’t argue with but, if you’re moving into a busy area with nightlife, you shouldn’t expect that the world revolves around you and your needs. Surely you would have done your research
There’s also foreign buyers who have bought from abroad to live for 3 weeks out of the year and don’t know what to expect – these people should not be listened to.
anyone who complains about residents complaining has never lived near a pub that suddenly changed from a normal pub to a late night music ‘venue’.
Noise complaint laws can be applied per council. Brighton have their own after they lost about six pubs in a couple of months. The final straw was when a pub got shut down after someone moved in to a flat above it (later turned out that BrewDog wanted the site and a new development was going on behind it)
…and clubs and music venues.
We have to stop this distraction of night life. It’s ruining the city. You must accept there will be noise. If you don’t like it please live somewhere else. These establishments have been around for hundreds of years please respect the culture and identity.
I used to run a pub in Bedford high road that was originally built in the 17th century, in 2007 they built now apartments on an old car park that was opposite our back gate overlooking our pub garden.
A year later, some residents had complained about the noise from our beer garden, so the council put loads of restrictions on our sound system and reduced our operating hours.
These fucking people bought an apartment next to a pub that had been there for over 300 years and yet the pub is the problem. I left 9 years ago but it’s more like a restaurant now than a boozer!!
My friend used to play over at that church that’s a pub in Mowell Hill and of course some woman moved into the apartment attached to the church and complained about the noise. The council came out and decided it was too loud, so no more bands.
Foxley Hatch is a perfect example of how new builds do not consider the existing environment. There’s been a pub there as long as I can remember. It’s on a high street surrounded by shops and quite a number of restaurants.
It backed onto the gardens of some houses. The houses were demolished and they built a block of flats in that garden right onto the back of the pub.
Now there’s noise complaints from the flats. Even though the pub has not changed, it’s not a live music venue or anything. Just you usual local with people smoking out back.
Will be so gutted if the Sekforde goes, it’s an amazing pub.
Foxes over represented here – noisy bastards.
The thing is, I’ve lived by a pub and worked in one and know there are different types of landlords. The place I worked was very conscious of neighbours, always stuck to their licensing conditions and made an effort to build good relationships. I also lived in the area whilst working there and there were never noise complaints. Locals support it wholeheartedly and keep it afloat with their patronage.
In contrast the one I moved near to, they didn’t care one bit. I used to enjoy going there when I first moved in but the way they didn’t care about anyone living nearby meant I stopped supporting them entirely. They had live music nights but propped the doors open so it was like having a gig in your garden but the same crappy tribute act every weekend in the summer. When asked to close the door they would get angry but some of us had work early in the morning. They also didn’t care about their regulars blocking emergency access despite it being raised numerous times and one fire requiring residents to move a drunk patron’s van so the fire engine could get down the road. I later discovered they had previously breached various licensing conditions around noise, events and planning over the years and despite it looking like they cleaned up their act, actually the council just stopped any enforcement.
Fucks me off beyond belief that people move into London for all the convenient benefits of having everything at your doorstep, while simultaneously denying everybody else the same privilege.
Meanwhile I’m here making complains because the great pub the used to have live bands(which finished latest midnight) now has live DJs with the loudest system you’ve ever heard. They now finish 4am 3 times a week and last night they had an all nighter, were still going at 9am this morning!
The bass is so loud, my flat is behind another flat facing the opposite direction and it keeps me awake. No idea how the front facing flats deal with it.
I would love that place to close down, they are destroying my sanity.
I’m pretty sure the road noise on Foxley Lane is louder than anything coming out of The Foxley Hatch. It’s crazy how a new block of flats are built behind a pub and the pub gets complaints now, there’s no consideration of the surrounding area before these new builds go through.
Is this chart showing actual pubs closed because of noise complaints? Does it include other factors like the price of drinks/people perhaps drinking less?
Heads up on the Fox in Palmers Green – despite being unable to have live music now the brilliant manager has turned around an old pub with a solid history. Food is excellent and atmosphere is really good. Just a pity you can’t see live entertainment.
Ministry of Sound almost had to close about 10 years ago when developers revamped one of the buildings nearby, even though MoS had been there since 1991.
The car park of The Fox (where a pub has sat for over 300 years) was developed into luxury flats, turns out the soundproofing between them isn’t good enough for live music 🤦♂️
Near me someone moved next to a church that had been ringing it’s bells for 300 years. They didn’t like it and complained and now they can’t do it anymore.
If you move near a church or pub or whatever that’s your choice. If it’s noisy then put up with it you don’t have a right to complain.
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Sorry forgot the link – from The Londoner [https://www.the-londoner.co.uk/noise-complaints-killing-londons-pubs/](https://www.the-londoner.co.uk/noise-complaints-killing-londons-pubs/)
*We mapped the dozens of pubs forced to shut early or that faced closure last year due to everything from “faint giggles” to “constant honking” from cars.*
The whole system needs looking at. Four residents complaining shouldn’t change the license or operating hours of a pub, it’s ridiculous. If you move in next to a pub and complain about the noise, then you’re an idiot.
worlds smallest violin
drink at home
Bricklayers is a banger of a pub, trust wanker Putney neighbours to come for it.
Boroughs are the problem and until licensing and planning are taken out of their control it will only get worse.
I’m going to imagine the flower of Kent wasn’t just noise issues
Councils and the Mayor are the problem. They need to stop bowing down to NIMBYs who want to turn the city into somewhere like a more sterile version of Zurich.
Same applies to dickheads who buy a flat/house near a music venue and complain about noise. The Jazz Cafe in Camden was nearly closed down because of such complaints.
Noise complaints have already levelled several venues in Brighton, we can’t let this trend continue in London. The self interest of a few entitled tenants who choose to live in the few busy and thriving areas of the city doesn’t outweigh the positive impact these places have for the rest.
I used to live near the Arch in Wembley. By near I was about 150m away and it was loud as fuck.
They bring huge audio systems out into the pub garden and would blast shit until 2am.
It’s not a real pub, zero atmosphere, it’s just for cunts after match days.
So dumb.
Living in London is to accept that you will have neighbours from all walks of life, commercial or residential. You accept the old and the young, the rich and the poor, the start ups and the institutions.
I really take umbrage with people who think that they deserve things to change just because they have arrived there. No, you moved to Soho and you live above a major street – of course you should expect noise & the bars empty out anywhere between 1-6am and this is a nightlife hotspot, as evidenced by literally any website you visit. Didn’t do your research properly? Neither the bars nor the clientele’s problem.
Also no reason to complain about things shutting early, no more zone 1, more foxes round their bins, etc. I really don’t think that people have a valid complaint if they have moved into an area with a pre-existing nightlife.
I don’t care about noise from the pub across the street because it was there when I moved in. I don’t care about unreasonable noise from neighbours because I should understand that is what happens when you live in a flat. I would probably care if a new place popped up across the road and caused a racket but our nightlife spots are dwindling in number, as far as I understand.
I live close to a pub. The owners managed to stop virtually all the complaints by controlling the noise of outdoor drinkers, being ruthlessly intolerant of drunken thug types and engaging positively with residents around their concerns.
A friend of mine runs a pub/music venue in North Kent, where for over 30 years he had no noise problems mainly because it was in an old ex-industrial area. Then the developers started and even after consultation and warnings from the landlord, they assured him he wouldn’t be affected. Guess what? Within weeks of residents moving in a couple complained! He’s had to abide by a couple of new rules (even though he has sound proofing throughout), but he fought hard against it with the very obvious reason ‘they knew where they were moving to’.
Reading about the Kilburn Arms is infuriating. Lovely little pub that’s well established within the community, yet people move in next door and start complaining about the noise. Of course the council sides with the residents and demands the pub changes it’s ways to accommodate the neighbours (you know, the ones who chose to move into a property next to a pub expecting silence).
*buys house next to pub* *complains that pub makes noise* complete and utter cunts
Housing is more important than alcohol. Bin the pubs and create more affordable housing
Used to run a pub in East Dulwich, constant battling with the local residents. It’s shut now and nothing replaced, was a lovely place too.
Amazes me when people move to high density areas and complain about noises. Let’s be honest if you move next to a pub and complain about a pub your a idiot. Even more stupid when it’s the most densely populated city in the country. Don’t expect to open your curtains in the morning and hear silence.
British culture is being eroded swiftly. This will only speed up more pubs closing as they are getting taxed to high heaven and not many can afford the prices.
It also doesn’t help that the UK has the smallest housing in Europe. These new builds have tailor made furniture to fit places to make it look more spacious than it actually is. They also cut back on sound proofing so developers can maximise profits.
People are paying silly amounts of money for non-quality outcomes which encourage less social cohesion.
Once upon a time London was less transient it use to have proper communities who would be able to discuss things without running to the authorities and wasting time.
The loud noise being people saying “flipping heck, how much?”
i live near the nags head and they are a complete nightmare, they have kareoke at full blast with speakers meant for outdoor events going to 3 in the morning most weekends, I dont even live that close…
People saying they want C. London to go 24 hours with transport and night life and yet on the other hand, everything is closing down because, for example, people move into Soho because of the bustling community, then complain about the noise.
It makes no sense to me.
Some people on here are posting very balanced views on the subject which I can’t argue with but, if you’re moving into a busy area with nightlife, you shouldn’t expect that the world revolves around you and your needs. Surely you would have done your research
There’s also foreign buyers who have bought from abroad to live for 3 weeks out of the year and don’t know what to expect – these people should not be listened to.
anyone who complains about residents complaining has never lived near a pub that suddenly changed from a normal pub to a late night music ‘venue’.
Noise complaint laws can be applied per council. Brighton have their own after they lost about six pubs in a couple of months. The final straw was when a pub got shut down after someone moved in to a flat above it (later turned out that BrewDog wanted the site and a new development was going on behind it)
…and clubs and music venues.
We have to stop this distraction of night life. It’s ruining the city. You must accept there will be noise. If you don’t like it please live somewhere else. These establishments have been around for hundreds of years please respect the culture and identity.
I used to run a pub in Bedford high road that was originally built in the 17th century, in 2007 they built now apartments on an old car park that was opposite our back gate overlooking our pub garden.
A year later, some residents had complained about the noise from our beer garden, so the council put loads of restrictions on our sound system and reduced our operating hours.
These fucking people bought an apartment next to a pub that had been there for over 300 years and yet the pub is the problem. I left 9 years ago but it’s more like a restaurant now than a boozer!!
My friend used to play over at that church that’s a pub in Mowell Hill and of course some woman moved into the apartment attached to the church and complained about the noise. The council came out and decided it was too loud, so no more bands.
Foxley Hatch is a perfect example of how new builds do not consider the existing environment. There’s been a pub there as long as I can remember. It’s on a high street surrounded by shops and quite a number of restaurants.
It backed onto the gardens of some houses. The houses were demolished and they built a block of flats in that garden right onto the back of the pub.
Now there’s noise complaints from the flats. Even though the pub has not changed, it’s not a live music venue or anything. Just you usual local with people smoking out back.
Will be so gutted if the Sekforde goes, it’s an amazing pub.
Foxes over represented here – noisy bastards.
The thing is, I’ve lived by a pub and worked in one and know there are different types of landlords. The place I worked was very conscious of neighbours, always stuck to their licensing conditions and made an effort to build good relationships. I also lived in the area whilst working there and there were never noise complaints. Locals support it wholeheartedly and keep it afloat with their patronage.
In contrast the one I moved near to, they didn’t care one bit. I used to enjoy going there when I first moved in but the way they didn’t care about anyone living nearby meant I stopped supporting them entirely. They had live music nights but propped the doors open so it was like having a gig in your garden but the same crappy tribute act every weekend in the summer. When asked to close the door they would get angry but some of us had work early in the morning. They also didn’t care about their regulars blocking emergency access despite it being raised numerous times and one fire requiring residents to move a drunk patron’s van so the fire engine could get down the road. I later discovered they had previously breached various licensing conditions around noise, events and planning over the years and despite it looking like they cleaned up their act, actually the council just stopped any enforcement.
Fucks me off beyond belief that people move into London for all the convenient benefits of having everything at your doorstep, while simultaneously denying everybody else the same privilege.
Meanwhile I’m here making complains because the great pub the used to have live bands(which finished latest midnight) now has live DJs with the loudest system you’ve ever heard. They now finish 4am 3 times a week and last night they had an all nighter, were still going at 9am this morning!
The bass is so loud, my flat is behind another flat facing the opposite direction and it keeps me awake. No idea how the front facing flats deal with it.
I would love that place to close down, they are destroying my sanity.
I’m pretty sure the road noise on Foxley Lane is louder than anything coming out of The Foxley Hatch. It’s crazy how a new block of flats are built behind a pub and the pub gets complaints now, there’s no consideration of the surrounding area before these new builds go through.
Is this chart showing actual pubs closed because of noise complaints? Does it include other factors like the price of drinks/people perhaps drinking less?
knock down the pubs and build houses
To be fair the Flower of Kent sounds like an [absolute fucking nightmare](https://lewisham.moderngov.co.uk/documents/s81142/Flower%20of%20Kent%20PH%20-%20Objections%20for%20Committee.pdf) to live near
Heads up on the Fox in Palmers Green – despite being unable to have live music now the brilliant manager has turned around an old pub with a solid history. Food is excellent and atmosphere is really good. Just a pity you can’t see live entertainment.
Ministry of Sound almost had to close about 10 years ago when developers revamped one of the buildings nearby, even though MoS had been there since 1991.
The car park of The Fox (where a pub has sat for over 300 years) was developed into luxury flats, turns out the soundproofing between them isn’t good enough for live music 🤦♂️
Near me someone moved next to a church that had been ringing it’s bells for 300 years. They didn’t like it and complained and now they can’t do it anymore.
If you move near a church or pub or whatever that’s your choice. If it’s noisy then put up with it you don’t have a right to complain.
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