Half of Britons support voting reform and ‘proportional’ system, poll finds
Half of Britons support voting reform and ‘proportional’ system, poll finds
by corbynista2029
Half of Britons support voting reform and ‘proportional’ system, poll finds
Half of Britons support voting reform and ‘proportional’ system, poll finds
by corbynista2029
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Proportional voting absolutely, FPTP is such an awful system
Half of Britons don’t know what a “proportional voting system” is
**Half of Britons(49%) support voting reform….**
That’s as far as I got.
We’ve had polls recently where the party with the most votes ends up with less seats than the party in fourth place. Combined with the frankly silly results that we got at the last election, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to argue in favour of FPTP.
I’m sure they won’t feel that way when the choice is presented as *”voting reform or murdering children, up to you!”*
Let’s sort out protecting elections and having election laws with some actual teeth. Then I’ll support PR.
PR rewards extremism and punishes moderates.
PR discourages compromise
PR means a lot more non professional politicians will hold power. Remember how Cameron ran rings around little cleggy?
PR encourages means a lot more deadlock and hung parliaments and snap elections.
I think people want change. I agree. But just because this is different does not make it better…
cool, so now we just need the other half to become literate and learn what a proportional system is.
The problem is that most people don’t have a specific system in mind, so it’s easy to deflect the support as not being useful or meaningful.
The AV referendum also gives governments a very good get out clause of “the will of the people…”
I’d personally support either something like Ireland or something like the Scottish Parliament. A purely list based system like, say The Netherlands or Belgium I don’t think is the right answer.
We need a very basic law first. It is still legal to lie to the voter as an MP, you can say whatever you want in terms of false promises and made up facts as a politician.
Make that illegal, a politician should face jail time for not telling the truth in interviews and when in the house of commons. It will be much more difficult for a populist to get to power if that were the case.
As things are currently, a proportional system would only see Putin puppets get voted in.
Only half of people supporting democracy is a pretty troubling finding.
I hope it never happens. I disagree that PR is more democratic. It encourages smaller parties to make commitments they have no intention of keeping, knowing they can just get rid of them easily in coalition negotiations. You never know exactly quite what policies you’re going to get out of a coalition. Most of all, it just has too many obstructions. Labour have used some pretty harsh rhetoric against NIMBYs. You think they would be doing that if they had the NIMBYs of the Greens and Lib Dems to work with? Our problem with not building anything would just get worse. Starmer, with his big majority, has the opportunity to drag the country out of the stagnation it’s in. He probably won’t, but he could. PR would just consolidate the stagnation.
Governments with majorities and few obstructions who have the capability to actually enact their manifesto (whether or not they actually do) is the kind of democracy I prefer.
Proportional voting doesn’t work! Italy use it & seems like every year change the government 🤣
At this point, support for reform is gonna make me seek political asylum elsewhere
Unfortunately the 2 largest parties oppose it, because they know it would only damage them.
PR isn’t better. UBI is dystopian. Yourkshire Tea is rough. Yorkshire puddings are overrated. Bidets and bumguns are nasty compared to toilet paper.
Bite me.
Voting reform will never happen as long as Labour and Conservative are in power.
Our current political duopoly has caused the country to stagnate as neither the Cons or Labour need to offer anything of substance to get elected; they just wait for us to get sick of one party and then let the other one have a go.
FPTP benefits the party donors and not the voting public.
All problems with democracy begin and end with the ‘free’ press.
So long as oligarchs have the uncontested capacity to manipulate and deceive the electorate democracy will fail and continue to fail.
Lib Dems also support proportional voting, if that’s your reason for voting reform at least don’t vote for the Nazi aligned party.
Had a bit of a panic there as I read that as “half of Britons support voting Reform.” 🤣
The champagne socialists and Islington ruling classes are just going to have to realise it’s time for the little man to have his say. They love to look down on the working proletariat as being some sort of sub human underclass not capable of grasping their intellectual arguments….well, the times they are a changing my friends.
Gosh I confused voting-reform for voting for Reform
I think it would be nice to have a system where I could vote for a party I actually wanted and it actually matter instead of having to vote against someone.
In PR … EVERYONES vote counts towards the government.
My Green vote hasn’t been looked at nationally for decades as it’s wiped out by my local constituency who are in some daft battle of not-Labour/not-Tories.
I understand that FPTP delivers strong and stable government and keeps extremist influence to a minimum. Those are valid arguments.
My main issue with though is that it largely benefits the 2 main parties by delivering disproportionately high amount of power compared to the their support, whereas it’s often the other way round for the smaller parties who get a disproportionately low amount of power.
for example in 2019:
The Tories got 1 seat for every 38,264 votes. Labour got 1 seat for every 50,836 votes and the poor Lib Dems needed a whopping 336,038 votes for each seat.
Interestingly the main beneficiary was the SNP who got a seat for every 25,882 votes, but I guess that’s bound to happen when your voting base is geographically concentrated.
I just don’t see how that is defendable. Of course the main parties are not going to do anything about it though.
The barrier to proportional representation is that it doesn’t mesh well with the brand of representative democracy we’ve come to enjoy. True PR would result in representatives being assigned after the fact, so you’d be voting for policies, not people.
Personally I like that idea, but people like knowing their representative is local to them.
Obviously a load of bollocks. Anytime they do these polls, no one i know has ever been involved with them, so how many people are they actually asking, if any at all? It’s all just to stir up shit, as usual.
Whatever you believe in politically, we can’t have Farage as PM. He genuinely doesn’t give a shit about this country, and he’s only in it to sell us to the highest bidder and get as rich as possible.
I downvoted before I realised reform has a little r
Im honestly shocked that in this day and age there are still people out there willing to defend FPTP and regurgitate the same nonsense arguments about PR having its own problems. As if we haven’t just had decades of poor government, and no choice to get rid of any of them.
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