Must’ve been pretty cute and dry for Murphy to make such a statement. Wonder how Lowry is going to respond to this?
Remember the government tried to bullshit through they’d received legal advice allowing this
>the letter issued last night, Ceann Comhairle Verona Murphy said she had been advised that Independent TDs who have agreed to support the government but are not Ministers or Ministers of state are “eligible to be part of a technical group”.
>The letter added: “I am advised that there is long standing precedent to support this position.
It might be perhaps time to release this advise
Sense prevails.
Verona should resign
Future “Confidence and supply” arragments should get the same treatment. The idea that FF were in oposition to FG when they had a hand in the program for goverment and budget was a joke.
Common sense.
Now maybe they can do a little work?
amazing she could not have made this obvious decision a fortnight ago
I mean, this was the obvious decision. Why it took the guts of two weeks is bizarre.
Martin came out very bullish today (Rte news update)trying to paint a picture of what they were advocating for was just business as usual. Must have been some concerns behind the scenes as it was now damaging them.
Constitutional lawyers can busy themselves with this, no one else.
It’s embarrassing how much time has been wasted on this shite, the world is regressing into strong man mode and we’re here arguing about technical groups.
Ok, the right decision explained the right way, that aligns with common sense. Good.
There is fuck all technical about these absolute spoofers.
I’m not really sure about the precedent set by this.
In the last Dáil, Opposition groups routinely voted with the Government: for example, every piece of Covid legislation had cross-party support, as did the botched legislation leading to the failed referendums and the end of the Green Party as a parliamentary group. Should they not have been afforded Opposition speaking rights subsequently?
At which point does an Opposition TD become a Government TD and at which point does a Government TD cease to be so? That still needs clarified.
Also in the last Dáil, Marc MacSharry left the FF PP, where he had previously voted for Micheál Martin for Taoiseach. Should he have been prevented from joining a Technical Group afterwards?
To me, this – and look, it was absolutely a stroke by the Government – is largely because Opposition parties are worried that Independents now outnumber each of them; but it also strengthens the party whip system and is going to have a chilling effect on people who disagree with party leaderships. And I’m in favour of having more independently-minded TDs.
What this does, whether it was the intention or not, is to say to Opposition party TDs “don’t rebel against the leadership or we can expel you from the PP and you’ll not, as an elected TD, be allowed to speak in the Dáil”.
I would like to know, if there is another Eoin Hayes situation, how can it be guaranteed that someone in that position will be able speak in the Dáil.
The Dáil does little enough work, and sits rarely enough, that I believe there is and should be room for every TD who wishes to contribute to a debate, regardless of which side of the chamber they sit on.
It’s funny to think the hill this govt might die on is grifter Lowry and his band of clowns. The boy’sheens in Tipp must be loving this…
hang on a second, Michael Lowry was instrumental in installing Verona Murphy as CC, but now she has ruled against him presumably because Martin & Harris wanted to draw a line under this mess.
And then that other fella Michael Lowrey, he’ll be mighty pissed off too.
Good times.
Fucking finally
Now we don’t have to listen to both sides tell us what should happen
I am nearly 40 years old and have been hearing Irish politicians refer to unpublished “legal advice” as an excuse for their actions/inactions all of my life. It is a crutch they use which rarely gets challenged, even though it is not something you ever here UK or US politicians say. It’s a low effort smokescreen
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So far, so good
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Must’ve been pretty cute and dry for Murphy to make such a statement. Wonder how Lowry is going to respond to this?
Remember the government tried to bullshit through they’d received legal advice allowing this
>the letter issued last night, Ceann Comhairle Verona Murphy said she had been advised that Independent TDs who have agreed to support the government but are not Ministers or Ministers of state are “eligible to be part of a technical group”.
>The letter added: “I am advised that there is long standing precedent to support this position.
It might be perhaps time to release this advise
Sense prevails.
Verona should resign
Future “Confidence and supply” arragments should get the same treatment. The idea that FF were in oposition to FG when they had a hand in the program for goverment and budget was a joke.
Common sense.
Now maybe they can do a little work?
amazing she could not have made this obvious decision a fortnight ago
I mean, this was the obvious decision. Why it took the guts of two weeks is bizarre.
Martin came out very bullish today (Rte news update)trying to paint a picture of what they were advocating for was just business as usual. Must have been some concerns behind the scenes as it was now damaging them.
Constitutional lawyers can busy themselves with this, no one else.
It’s embarrassing how much time has been wasted on this shite, the world is regressing into strong man mode and we’re here arguing about technical groups.
Ok, the right decision explained the right way, that aligns with common sense. Good.
There is fuck all technical about these absolute spoofers.
I’m not really sure about the precedent set by this.
In the last Dáil, Opposition groups routinely voted with the Government: for example, every piece of Covid legislation had cross-party support, as did the botched legislation leading to the failed referendums and the end of the Green Party as a parliamentary group. Should they not have been afforded Opposition speaking rights subsequently?
At which point does an Opposition TD become a Government TD and at which point does a Government TD cease to be so? That still needs clarified.
Also in the last Dáil, Marc MacSharry left the FF PP, where he had previously voted for Micheál Martin for Taoiseach. Should he have been prevented from joining a Technical Group afterwards?
To me, this – and look, it was absolutely a stroke by the Government – is largely because Opposition parties are worried that Independents now outnumber each of them; but it also strengthens the party whip system and is going to have a chilling effect on people who disagree with party leaderships. And I’m in favour of having more independently-minded TDs.
What this does, whether it was the intention or not, is to say to Opposition party TDs “don’t rebel against the leadership or we can expel you from the PP and you’ll not, as an elected TD, be allowed to speak in the Dáil”.
I would like to know, if there is another Eoin Hayes situation, how can it be guaranteed that someone in that position will be able speak in the Dáil.
The Dáil does little enough work, and sits rarely enough, that I believe there is and should be room for every TD who wishes to contribute to a debate, regardless of which side of the chamber they sit on.
It’s funny to think the hill this govt might die on is grifter Lowry and his band of clowns. The boy’sheens in Tipp must be loving this…
hang on a second, Michael Lowry was instrumental in installing Verona Murphy as CC, but now she has ruled against him presumably because Martin & Harris wanted to draw a line under this mess.
Michael Lowry is definitely gonna be pissed off here, he’s been shafted the same day he said [the Oppostions demands are unacceptable](https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2025/0203/1494399-ireland-politics/)
And then that other fella Michael Lowrey, he’ll be mighty pissed off too.
Good times.
Fucking finally
Now we don’t have to listen to both sides tell us what should happen
I am nearly 40 years old and have been hearing Irish politicians refer to unpublished “legal advice” as an excuse for their actions/inactions all of my life. It is a crutch they use which rarely gets challenged, even though it is not something you ever here UK or US politicians say. It’s a low effort smokescreen
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