Kai Pulkkanen, 42, used to earn 5,000 euros a month, now he can’t get a job – “I would be willing to clean toilets” (Report in Finnish, use translation)
I know people who got a PhD in Finland and decided to remove it from their CV after hundreds of rejections. If you are overqualified for a job you’ll be most likely rejected. Sad reality check. This feels like someone sending a CV for toilet cleaning job (which I do respect, as any job) stating that he previously was a NASA engineers in his CV. Just as example 🥲.
And they say same time that Finland needs more people to come here. And: also in Finland that “you just go and find the job”. This has been always too hard here this job seeking. It is much easier in many countries. Just call and tomorrow you start new work. And yes, I have experiences from this so and maybe have to again to these countries.
One important thing he mentioned is that he is not alone. The climate is already multiplying depression here. I can imagine how lonely folks feel during that period. I was shooting stars considering my higher education. But at some point, I decided fuck this shit and took a basic course through te-toimisto. It is blue-collar work, but I earn around 60k per year.
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I feel bad for Kai. How can I help?
Please avoid falling in Russian propaganda.
This is like hundred post within few days in r/finland regarding bad employment situation in Finland.
Something is going on. Now start to be out of sources as have to post articles in Finnish.
News itself is right, but selecting and posting several related articles countless times is propaganda.
People need to start building companies not wait for jobs.
More than 100 thousand ukrainian came during thier war, most of them got jobs. And What I heard is if companies hire them then they pay less taxes. They ate Finland’s job market in this recession!!! I don’t know if I am eligible to say these things as an international student but yes, Finnish people should think for their people first as they have been paying taxes for generations.
So the person has master of economy degree (ylempi liiketalouden AMK tutkinto) but has worked as a sales person (myyjä). That is quite frankly totally waste of the degree and the person is competing against all others wanting to be sales persons – the job does not require such degree at all. That degree would be relevant to the boss of all sales persons in a large company, or chief financial officer (CFO).
So there is like 500 people with vocational degree (amis) or lower AMK degree (bachelor of economy) looking for each sales person job, and then some random guys with higher degree (which is not relevant). In that case the real question is if the person knows the subject matter relevant to what he would sell. Like if you are a pump sales person, it is nice to know about pumps and industrial pipelines. If you are a tools sales person, it is nice to know about tools and construction. You get the idea. The economy degree doesn’t help at all.
Based on article I don’t really see that the problem is the degree. The problem is that he has no work experience relevant to the masters level degree. Also for sales person jobs, the degree doesn’t help but he competes for every job against a lot of people. Nowadays there is lots of people looking for sales person jobs as that is mostly social engineering and doesn’t require any specific degree at all, so it a job that can offer good income with minimum education.
IMHO.
I once applied for a summer cleaning job in the Uusimaa area and found out they received over 900 applications. I didn’t get an interview despite having almost 2 years of experience as a part-time cleaner. Luckily, I miraculously got a job in my field after I graduated but I’ve always refrained from having survivorship-bias.
“Just getting a job” to stay afloat isn’t possible anymore. And it’s also important to note that your qualifications in different fields don’t necessarily mean you would do well as a cleaner etc. I also feel like the companies avoid hiring applicants with higher education as they worry they would know their legal rights and wouldn’t put up with the shitty working conditions they force upon their employees.
Im sure sending 200 million to Ukraine it’s gonna help boost our economy and Kai will get a job fast 👍
Sad story of a structural problem. I guess it’s food delivery then? It’s not worse that cleaning toilets.
Welcome to Finland, the happiest country in the world with high unemployment rate, high suicidal rate and dark cold half a year.
I would be so happy if Finland wins this year happiest country in the world again 🙂
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I know people who got a PhD in Finland and decided to remove it from their CV after hundreds of rejections. If you are overqualified for a job you’ll be most likely rejected. Sad reality check. This feels like someone sending a CV for toilet cleaning job (which I do respect, as any job) stating that he previously was a NASA engineers in his CV. Just as example 🥲.
And they say same time that Finland needs more people to come here. And: also in Finland that “you just go and find the job”. This has been always too hard here this job seeking. It is much easier in many countries. Just call and tomorrow you start new work. And yes, I have experiences from this so and maybe have to again to these countries.
One important thing he mentioned is that he is not alone. The climate is already multiplying depression here. I can imagine how lonely folks feel during that period. I was shooting stars considering my higher education. But at some point, I decided fuck this shit and took a basic course through te-toimisto. It is blue-collar work, but I earn around 60k per year.
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I feel bad for Kai. How can I help?
Please avoid falling in Russian propaganda.
This is like hundred post within few days in r/finland regarding bad employment situation in Finland.
Something is going on. Now start to be out of sources as have to post articles in Finnish.
News itself is right, but selecting and posting several related articles countless times is propaganda.
People need to start building companies not wait for jobs.
More than 100 thousand ukrainian came during thier war, most of them got jobs. And What I heard is if companies hire them then they pay less taxes. They ate Finland’s job market in this recession!!! I don’t know if I am eligible to say these things as an international student but yes, Finnish people should think for their people first as they have been paying taxes for generations.
So the person has master of economy degree (ylempi liiketalouden AMK tutkinto) but has worked as a sales person (myyjä). That is quite frankly totally waste of the degree and the person is competing against all others wanting to be sales persons – the job does not require such degree at all. That degree would be relevant to the boss of all sales persons in a large company, or chief financial officer (CFO).
So there is like 500 people with vocational degree (amis) or lower AMK degree (bachelor of economy) looking for each sales person job, and then some random guys with higher degree (which is not relevant). In that case the real question is if the person knows the subject matter relevant to what he would sell. Like if you are a pump sales person, it is nice to know about pumps and industrial pipelines. If you are a tools sales person, it is nice to know about tools and construction. You get the idea. The economy degree doesn’t help at all.
Based on article I don’t really see that the problem is the degree. The problem is that he has no work experience relevant to the masters level degree. Also for sales person jobs, the degree doesn’t help but he competes for every job against a lot of people. Nowadays there is lots of people looking for sales person jobs as that is mostly social engineering and doesn’t require any specific degree at all, so it a job that can offer good income with minimum education.
IMHO.
I once applied for a summer cleaning job in the Uusimaa area and found out they received over 900 applications. I didn’t get an interview despite having almost 2 years of experience as a part-time cleaner. Luckily, I miraculously got a job in my field after I graduated but I’ve always refrained from having survivorship-bias.
“Just getting a job” to stay afloat isn’t possible anymore. And it’s also important to note that your qualifications in different fields don’t necessarily mean you would do well as a cleaner etc. I also feel like the companies avoid hiring applicants with higher education as they worry they would know their legal rights and wouldn’t put up with the shitty working conditions they force upon their employees.
Im sure sending 200 million to Ukraine it’s gonna help boost our economy and Kai will get a job fast 👍
Sad story of a structural problem. I guess it’s food delivery then? It’s not worse that cleaning toilets.
Welcome to Finland, the happiest country in the world with high unemployment rate, high suicidal rate and dark cold half a year.
I would be so happy if Finland wins this year happiest country in the world again 🙂
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