Yes, the growth is quite impressive. There are other graphs and tables that also matter, but by all means, talk just about this one.
If they can sustain themselves without the substitutes it’s fine. On your energy bill you used to see exactly what You had to pay extra just to make this trend happen as a separate cost.
Why do they only consider the first nine months of each year for making the graph?
Oh look, it’s the weekly german energy circlejerk.
Nope, it is consumption that really matters, not generation. Especially with intermittence.
So 30% to 60% in 10 years?
Great, can’t wait until energy prices stabilize again in 15 years when they finally have adequate power production. Very sustainable.
This graph is in relative values, which defeats the purpose when discussing the calue of power output capacity
Coal could have been phased out completely by now and gas partially. Germany choose to shut down clean generation and retain dirty generation (then slowly work on reducing it). You can twist logic as much as you want, but that was the political decision made.
I’ll always congratulate you guys for pushing renewable, you have my admiration and my respect.
But you’re still dumb for going 0 Nuclear! Balancing solar, hydro, wind and Nuclear would definitely make Germany the greenest country on earth.
Now show the coal percentage
Okay, great … now lets see €/MWh …
Once we get terawatts storage solved, we can provide energy at a price hard to beat. Wind is the cheapest form of renewable energy.
why should we build new plants that will bankrup some energy companies. the new one finland was build in 18 years was four times more expensive or the new one in France was finished 12 years later was also four times more expensive (both new plants costs each over 11 billion euros (france 13-19 billion and finnland 11 billion)) and the new one in france needs major repairs.
Edit: our newest planed was opened in 1989
Rather impressive, but why close the Atomic power then?
Then it could all be more or less co2 free…
Now you have green power and Black coal power or Russian gas….
People suggesting to start using nuclear reactors again: google “The Soeder Challenge”
Just need neighbors who sell their nuclear power or russian gas for the remaining 40%
This means over winter, when there are periods of no wind and sun is blocked by fog, Germany temporary loses 60% of its energy generation capacity without any alternatives. Thats why we have one of the highest prices of electricity in EU.
Where are the other sources?
Funny, since being a citizen of a neighboring country, I find the following graph to be the one that matters much much more. The one that shows that Germany is nowhere near self sufficient in power production.
The graph that matters is the one describing the CO2 production.
Now imagine that PLUS nuclear energy
And the rest is from sweden? 😀
Germany is a shitty place for [solar generation](https://globalsolaratlas.info/map?c=43.596306,4.702148,5), and much of Germany is also a shitty place for [wind generation](https://globalwindatlas.info/en/) (click for “Mean Power Density”), so in my opinion, this chart simply measures wasted resources. Germany could have funded solar power in Spain or the south of France and the infrastructure to deliver it to Germany, and they would have gotten a lot more bang for the buck – and reduced carbon output for the same amount of power.
Central Germany has *half* the mean insolation as Provence.
As we painfully feel in the UK it’s only useable when the wind blows. And we are one of the windest places in Europe. And nearly had blackouts a few weeks ago due to lack of wind…
Our green production capacity is increasing steadily and in the meantime we can just buy cheap nuclear power from countries that failed simple economics to calculate the costs of those things. (Thats a joke btw, a lot of our importet energy is also green because thats waay cheaper)
My electrical bill matters to me. As someone living in southern Sweden I’m not delighted by the serial catastropy that is German energy politics.
Then why are the electricity prices going up?
I guess the industry is fine then
Nice!
Wow! So your total electricity generation must be the highest it’s been since 1990, right? 😉
This is not total energy, it is just electricity. You must always include the sources of heating as well, which are usually large and usually fossil fuels. Also critical would be how much electricity is displacing fossil fuels for heating, it any at all.
One graph, never matters. Energy markets are much more complicated. This does not tell the whole story.
What also matters is the sharp fluctuations of the energy generation, due to the forceful decommission of other energy sources, resulting both surpluses and deficits, distributing the prices.
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Yes, the growth is quite impressive. There are other graphs and tables that also matter, but by all means, talk just about this one.
If they can sustain themselves without the substitutes it’s fine. On your energy bill you used to see exactly what You had to pay extra just to make this trend happen as a separate cost.
Why do they only consider the first nine months of each year for making the graph?
Oh look, it’s the weekly german energy circlejerk.
Nope, it is consumption that really matters, not generation. Especially with intermittence.
So 30% to 60% in 10 years?
Great, can’t wait until energy prices stabilize again in 15 years when they finally have adequate power production. Very sustainable.
This graph is in relative values, which defeats the purpose when discussing the calue of power output capacity
[No, this is the graph that matters.](https://i.imgur.com/ET30hC4.jpeg)
Coal could have been phased out completely by now and gas partially. Germany choose to shut down clean generation and retain dirty generation (then slowly work on reducing it). You can twist logic as much as you want, but that was the political decision made.
I’ll always congratulate you guys for pushing renewable, you have my admiration and my respect.
But you’re still dumb for going 0 Nuclear! Balancing solar, hydro, wind and Nuclear would definitely make Germany the greenest country on earth.
Now show the coal percentage
Okay, great … now lets see €/MWh …
Once we get terawatts storage solved, we can provide energy at a price hard to beat. Wind is the cheapest form of renewable energy.
[project pipeline (in German, just translate)](https://www.ingenieur.de/technik/fachbereiche/energie/rekordverdaechtig-deutschland-plant-riesige-batteriegrossspeicher/)
why should we build new plants that will bankrup some energy companies. the new one finland was build in 18 years was four times more expensive or the new one in France was finished 12 years later was also four times more expensive (both new plants costs each over 11 billion euros (france 13-19 billion and finnland 11 billion)) and the new one in france needs major repairs.
Edit: our newest planed was opened in 1989
Rather impressive, but why close the Atomic power then?
Then it could all be more or less co2 free…
Now you have green power and Black coal power or Russian gas….
People suggesting to start using nuclear reactors again: google “The Soeder Challenge”
Just need neighbors who sell their nuclear power or russian gas for the remaining 40%
This means over winter, when there are periods of no wind and sun is blocked by fog, Germany temporary loses 60% of its energy generation capacity without any alternatives. Thats why we have one of the highest prices of electricity in EU.
Where are the other sources?
Funny, since being a citizen of a neighboring country, I find the following graph to be the one that matters much much more. The one that shows that Germany is nowhere near self sufficient in power production.
[https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/paragraphs/images/fig7-german-electricity-import-export-1990-2024.png?itok=JeBspuWV](https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/paragraphs/images/fig7-german-electricity-import-export-1990-2024.png?itok=JeBspuWV)
The graph that matters is the one describing the CO2 production.
Now imagine that PLUS nuclear energy
And the rest is from sweden? 😀
Germany is a shitty place for [solar generation](https://globalsolaratlas.info/map?c=43.596306,4.702148,5), and much of Germany is also a shitty place for [wind generation](https://globalwindatlas.info/en/) (click for “Mean Power Density”), so in my opinion, this chart simply measures wasted resources. Germany could have funded solar power in Spain or the south of France and the infrastructure to deliver it to Germany, and they would have gotten a lot more bang for the buck – and reduced carbon output for the same amount of power.
Central Germany has *half* the mean insolation as Provence.
As we painfully feel in the UK it’s only useable when the wind blows. And we are one of the windest places in Europe. And nearly had blackouts a few weeks ago due to lack of wind…
Our green production capacity is increasing steadily and in the meantime we can just buy cheap nuclear power from countries that failed simple economics to calculate the costs of those things. (Thats a joke btw, a lot of our importet energy is also green because thats waay cheaper)
My electrical bill matters to me. As someone living in southern Sweden I’m not delighted by the serial catastropy that is German energy politics.
Then why are the electricity prices going up?
I guess the industry is fine then
Nice!
Wow! So your total electricity generation must be the highest it’s been since 1990, right? 😉
This is not total energy, it is just electricity. You must always include the sources of heating as well, which are usually large and usually fossil fuels. Also critical would be how much electricity is displacing fossil fuels for heating, it any at all.
One graph, never matters. Energy markets are much more complicated. This does not tell the whole story.
What also matters is the sharp fluctuations of the energy generation, due to the forceful decommission of other energy sources, resulting both surpluses and deficits, distributing the prices.
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