Labour to launch immigration crackdown ahead of election threat from Reform

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1. I find it staggering that the party that cut border force funding to the absolute minimum and essentially made our borders open has the gall to claim to be the party thats tough on immigration. If labour can convince the taxpayer that a border force is worth paying for perhaps we’ll see some of the Tories deliberate incompetance reversed before the happy shopper hitler party gets traction.

2. They could start with going to every inner city McDonalds and determining if those UberEats and Deliveroo e-bike maniacs are here legally and are doing their self-assessment, paying the required national insurance and income tax.

   I doubt they’re all here on a £37k skilled workers visa and moonlighting on a gig app.

3. The lesson from Rishi Sunak’s disastrous campaign last year is that you are never going to be able to out-Farage Farage, no matter how hard you try.

   If people have a choice between drinking classic coca cola or the shop’s own brand, they’re always gonna choose classic coca cola no matter how hard the adverts tell you the shop’s own brand is even better.

   Labour should be trying to win back their core voting base and Scottish voters, not people who are gonna vote Tories or Reform no matter what.

4. The issue is also how labour is treating them when they get here, by showering them in gifts and letting them get away with murder.

5. Any reduction wont be enough, if 25% is achieved then reform why say why not 50%, if 50% is ahieved then reform will say why not 100%, if 100% is achieved reform will brag about it happening because of them and then say why not deport people who are here legally but not working, if labour deports peope here legally but not working reform will say why havent you deported those working but stealing jobs from british citizens.

   Labour can’t win this

6. Can they not just crack down without being pressured by another party?

   Seems fucking stupid how immigration always ranks highs on the public polls yet nothing changes unless there’s a chance the ruling party might be ousted. 

   Same self serving shit, different coloured ties. 

7. Anything but do something to lower people’s energy bills, eh?

8. It would make common sense for their number one goal of economic growth. Immigration policy is not contributing to that right now through the entry of many low/no paid people such as family visas and overly generous asylum visas.

   Wages are being suppressed through such large levels and the pressure on housing is enormous, house prices would have fallen in the last two years if it weren’t for immigration levels propping it up.

   The student system is also flawed with many students going onto the graduate visa which has no job or salary requirements. Then on any of these visas, after 5 years you get indefinite leave to remain and the right to bring your family over and access benefits. The skilled visa salary threshold should be well over 40k so that we ensure we only bring in net contributors to the state, 29k is not much above minimum wage.

   We should adopt more of a UAE or China type model where we hand out visas for targeted workers needed but provide either an almost impossible or very long term route to citizenship and access to the goodies the state provides.

   Reform’s election policy of a higher level of employer national insurance for overseas workers is also a good one as it encourages businesses to look domestically first.

9. “Another Labour MP, who wished to remain anonymous, said: “All the Government will achieve with this stunt is to further legitimise Reform.

   “If people are persuaded that immigration is the principal problem facing the UK then they will vote for the real thing – racists – not Labour’s pallid copycat approach.”

   If this is accurate, then labour MPs view people as racist if they see immigration as a top issue in the UK. Surely it’s reasonable to say that many people do see it as a top issue. This explains the detached views of MPs who think they should serve their own ideas not the publics, which are racist.

10. Go to any major city town centre and you’ll see middle eastern/Indian/African men just wandering around not rlly doing much sometimes they’ll be speaking another language on the phone. They’re pretty easy to spot, who knows what they do here but they clearly arent NHS or health and social care workers whove been given visa’s. These people definitely weren’t here pre COVID.

11. I wish the tax dodging media & news outlet owning oligarcs would push something that really affected us for a change.

12. Who are they kidding. Labour won’t stop the boats or mass deport foreign criminals and those here illegally.

    They must think the public are daft. Starmer and his lawyer chums literally made their living defending those same people.

13. Pointing out that Reform are backed by billionaires who (despite what they say) want very cheap labour who won’t ask for rights, might be the thing for Labour to point out.

14. So, Labour are going to talk and pretend they will create an immigration crackdown as they are worried about people voting Reform…

    Then afterwards, they will just carry on letting illegal immigrants in. Got it.

15. Start by banning delivery apps from allowing account-sharing.

16. Which is why I’ll vote green in the vain hope they’ll build loads more renewables and treat people like actual human beings

17. Regardless of reform, immigration has been lost control under the torys so they have a group to blame on and we do need some immgrantion but not what we have had.

18. Might as well just change this sub name to immigration debate

19. Even if this is right, there’s getting less and less between the parties, the illusion of choice has vanished somewhat.

20. So Labour are only doing this to prevent themselves losing the next election, not because it’s a genuine issue?

21. They can’t, because it would mean all the ‘Turkish’ Barbers, Vape shops and car washes would all close overnight and the ‘housing crisis’ will no longer exist.

22. From [a piece in The Times](https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/pm-rails-at-complacent-liberals-as-farage-pulls-the-strings-l5pwvrfvb) earlier today,

    >Labour has a decent story to tell but doesn’t think the public has noticed. Since the election, returns of those with no right to be in the UK are up 20 per cent, deportations from prison are up more than 30 per cent, and illegal working raids up 23 per cent. Home Office officials say most of those raids have been against nail bars and car washes but the next wave of raids will focus on larger employers.

    These are good numbers having only been in power for basically six months, but they’re definitely right that it hasn’t cut through yet to the public. Partly because we’re all still stuck with the numbers of the last Tory government ringing in our ears of the nearly-one-million people they imported in a single year.

    Hopefully we see the above figures go up further in the following months and years.

    Yvette Cooper clearly knows how to get the Home Office to do what the fuck they’re told for once.

23. When they ain’t setting the narrative and they are jumping through hoops to a narrative set by an opponent, theyve already lost in my view.

24. I thought ReformUK was a fringe party, not to be taken seriously, and therefore no threat to Labour. Not even to lift a finger to counter.

    What changed?

25. Whatever it is, it will be all talk and no action.

    The damage is done, and it’s only going to get worse. My home city is unrecognisable in comparison to what it was 10 years ago.

26. Completely pointless. Every Reform voter thinks they’re an expert on immigration despite half of them being functionally illiterate and nothing any government does will ever convince them that immigration is doing anything but spiralling upwards. Labour could remove all asylum seekers and migrants and your average knuckle dragger would still tell you immigration was out of control.

27. this is your brain on think tanks.

    Cause no amount of posturing and “tough talk” is gonna swing reform voters to labour. Kier could be personally gunning down toddlers in dinghys from a helicopter gunship & it still wouldnt swing voters.

    Labour tried it this election and if you look at the numbers the gain from tory/reform was minimal: it was the vote split. Same with Biden wheeling about the cheneys and doing nothing but driving his base off.

    Cause frankly:
    – effective policy to reduce migration doesnt excite the mob.
    – circuses to sate the tabloids just burns insane amounts of cash.

    Theres no winning if your trying to play the reform playbook. But if labour instead just tried to unfuck the NHS, the north, social mobility and tried to energize non-voters? well then folk stop caring about migrants if their lives are getting better.

28. Are we seeing a democratic-republican flip here or just that the big two are getting on the same side?

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30. What a shame that is the only reason they would actually do anything about immigration. How about you do it because that’s what the British public wanted you to do.

    But to be honest, if they say they’re going to do something, you need to check if any of them or their cronies stand to make a profit, it isn’t going to happen otherwise.

31. Just goes to show how fucked this country is with our governments. They do things so they gain favour over the other parties – not that they wanna help the country

32. Do people think it is feasible for Labour to layout the case for controlled immigration in terms of it being essential for the U.K. economy and growth? To bring about a complete change in most people’s attitudes to the issue?

33. Deport people humanely please. I dont mind if some of my tax goes to making sure people have basic needs met before shipping them away again.

    Maybe if we built more housing and infrastructure this wouldn’t be an issue in the first place.

34. It wont work, the only way to beat reform is to make the the country fairer and to work better for ordinary people, fix the NHS, build more houses and do it by charging rich people more.

35. How about they just bring down train prices the useless Tory-flunkies

36. Aren’t they doing far better than the last government on immigration already? Genuine question you dig into it and it appears that they in the short time are actually making progress… waiting lists for the NHS actually appear to be moving in the right direction and deportations are up at a far lower cost.

    It just seems mental that the coverage of it is so lack luster.

37. Ah yes, *legal* immigrants are the problem. That’ll fix everything…..

38. The problem is less about “legal” immigration, and more about the boat gimmigrants.

39. So the party in power needs to be told by another party to take action?Tells you everything you need to know

40. A deluded Starmer thinks that immigration is the reason for Reform’s lead in the polls. The fact is, his shitty government is only in power because it was hated slightly less than the Tories at the last election.

    He has already demonstrated his willingness to get his nose in the trough—through his free suits and who knows what else—along with his support for two-tier policing and blatant bias towards Islam.

    Then there’s his interference in the judiciary over what he called “keyboard warriors.” Many of them may have crossed a line, but they were forced into guilty pleas by the inappropriate use of remand and compliant duty solicitors, only to receive excessive sentences. We saw at the end of last week a guy found not guilty in 17 minutes by a jury after a Welsh MP pushed the Police to prosecute

    He then labels anybody who expresses even the slightest concern about immigration as right-wing, despite YouGov polls showing that 56% of the UK is concerned about current levels.

    Just like his “AI is the future” nonsense from a couple of weeks ago, he’s late to the party—and nobody cares.

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