And then they try to do that, can’t collect it as they are clever and mobile, and go after moderate to good earners with families to support instead.
I couldn’t agree with her more. Growth is a smokescreen. The way our economy is rigged the vast majority of any growth we end up seeing will be fleeting, and hoovered up by the mega rich.
The country has plenty of money.
Well said that woman !
Economic growth is so fucking laughable… Every time I see a headline about how the UK economy is “back on track” I take one look at my bills and living expenses and spit out my fucking coffee. The economy grows while the people decline, great.
Ah, we need to Tax the rich! I’m amazed nobody has thought of this before.
Tax the rich properly
The whole point of life is to scrape by until you get to 65 and then spend what little you have managed to save before the heart disease or dementia gets you! Stop trying to enjoy yourself and just be miserable, that was never the deal.
I don’t disagree with the point. Redistribution of wealth. Fine.
….how?
The only ways to achieve it are voluntarily, through taxation, or by force.
The motivations are right but disnae mean her conclusions are sound. Taxing the rich and giving the government a tiny bit more money when they already squander the lot of it means fuck all.
If you want actual tax, target non-domestic mega corps, and if you want to help the people you need to make housing actually affordable on a living wage. But they won’t, because the problem with the greens is they can aggressively point out problems and then turn around and blow their foot off with a shotgun.
Never forgot it’s the workers who generate the wealth
They just don’t get to see it
Lorna Slater just continues to grow in presence – once she is free of the pompous Patrick Harvie.
I mean the woman could probably build a bridge and a wind turbine from scratch. She also has an impressive ability to distil stuff down – even if the moronic voters don’t want to hear it.
Re wealth. She isn’t wrong. Rich people forget they need to live on the same planet as the rest of us – but continue to shit on it and insist on more wealth than they can spend in several lifetimes – they also believe they create wealth in a vacuum when it fact it needs a functioning society.
As laudable a notion as redistributing the wealth is it’ll never happen in this country
This country is full of people who continually vote against their own self interest.
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We need wealth taxes not as a funding source for government (although that’s also useful) but as a defense against the rising ultra-rich and their outsized impact on the economy.
It’ll take more than a tax imo.
We were all sold a lie about “trickle-down” economy.
Money stays at the higher echelons or gets hoovered off to foreign shareholders.
Capitalism as a driver in a mercantile economy is fine, as long as the people tasked to police the system have everyone’s best interests at heart. Unfortunately these people are politicians who are wedded to political dogma, self-enrichment, or both.
Scotland tax the fuck out of anyone who earns an average income. Do they all feel better off?
And I’m sure Lorna Slater’s awful decision making cost Scottish taxpayers millions – would anyone else want to give their hard earned money to her to waste?
The green approved tax policy under the BHA didn’t work.
It’s a great soundbite, but if ‘tax the rich’ was as simple and easy as she makes out every country would just do that.
What she is not talking about, because she’s not very bright, is the fact the Britain has to act in concert with the rest of the world. Britain could very easily stop billionaires from taking loans as untaxed income, but then they will just move their residence to Ireland. Britain could tax its citizens globally like the US but there is nothing to stop people handing in their citizenship. I find people like her so tedious because they are just lapping up applause without offering a realistic solution. A case in point is tax revenue dropped when Britain scrapped the non dom benefits as people moved or reorganised their assets. In the 70s attempts to tax the rich at eye watering levels failed abysmally. If you want to know why the Rolling Stones exile on main st was recorded in the south of France it’s because the band moved abroad to avoid the UK taxes. So Lorna can lap up the applause but she doesn’t have an answer. I don’t have an answer. I also don’t pretend to have an answer. If you do a wealth tax on billionaires without it being in concert with other nations they will move to Dublin. Ireland has zero interest in imposing these taxes as its whole economy is based on tax fraud and undercutting its neighbours.
Absolutely and also tax them on the square foot of property they own.
Absolutely agree with her. I also love how they’re trying to do the ‘let’s blame people on benefits’ thing again and it’s not working this time. A lot more people have seen that it’s just not true and are less likely to believe the propaganda now. The uber-wealthy are the real problem here.
Crackpot who couldnt run a bath.
Good luck getting any of my wealth off me Lorna.
Somehow I reckon the people whose job it is to advise me on tax are more competent than youll ever be.
Watermelon boot.
She is not wrong.
I don’t understand why this isn’t the #1 issue for at least 75% of voters. It’s insane how think tanks, politicians and the media actually manage to succeed in distracting so many people from it.
Economic Growth needs to go hand in hand/reflect an improvement of living standards, and we should measure the success of growth off of that metric.
Trouble is that this is Trump level disinformation. The number of millionaires and billionaires in the UK is falling – and falling faster than anywhere else. So either wealthy distribution is more extreme than anywhere else, or they are taking ALL their taxes elsewhere. Nice headline. Totally false analysis. Source: Henley Wealth Migration Dashboard 2024
Comical that the top two posts in the sub atm are this one with a cracking discussion that communism is the way to go and that stalin and mao wernt that bad, and the other one that is a bot reposting a twitter screenshot (which is meant to be banned?)
Never change r/scotland
True… and its fucking depressing! These sick cunts are quite happy to watch the average person suffer for their wealth!
When they threaten to up and leave, tell them to fuck off, we want to build something that’s worth a damn for generations to come. If they don’t want to be a part of that, they shouldn’t be, but we should take back some of what they’ve siphoned from the nation on the way out!
Growth. 🤪
Kevin Bridges had it right, put dole money up to £1000 a week. They aren’t going to hoard it in offshore accounts, they would spend it in their local economys. Extreme example made for comic effect but he is technically correct.
What she means by “increase tax on the wealthy” is ‘increase tax on anyone not on minimum wage’.
Redistributing wealth from people earning 35k to people earning 20k is a crazy way to ruin a country.
Ye i massively agree, but its a problem of money makes money. Weathy also don’t need to borrow at shit rates like us mortals do they just leverage assets. We basically pay double for our houses once you factor in all the interest we pay. Just for having money those banks make shit loads more money investing the money we give them or they “create”. Super wealthy are the ones that need toning down but it needs to be worldwide, one country can’t do it as they just move.
They will defend their money at all costs, propaganda in news etc. It won’t be an easy thing. Maybe in our kids lifetime we can make small changes that help.
…… says the clown who squandered millions on the Deposit Return Scheme. A vanity project from someone who was gifted a position in the Scottish government to support SNP getting back in.
Only 4 people voted for the Greens.
We have definitely arrived at a position where lack of money in the lower economy is starting to hurt spending power. Eventually they will realise that is we can no longer afford to buy their cars, phones, coffees, whatever, they are stuffed.
Money is tight because so much of it is siphoned away to offshore accounts by the super wealthy. And the appalling rent seeking nature of the UK rich really doesn’t help.
Society needs to be restructured- new rules- fairer distribution of wealth and access to quality services.
The government should provide every family with a warm secure safe home, a basic level of power/heat for each home, quality free health services from cradle to grave, access to free education.
The education system and political system need radical reform to meet the needs of modern society rather than the archaic ideas of the 19th century.
WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO LIVE LIKE WE CURRENTLY DO..
BILLIONAIRES SHOULD BE “ABOLISHED”. There should be a maximum limit on wealth. There is a finite amount of money in circulation it should be illegal for a mega rich class to horde money that could be put to better use in improving society.
I mean, as a sceptic of the Scottish Greens, she’s not wrong.
It’s interesting seeing Helena from No Justice comparing Slater to what she sees as the timid leadership of the Green Party of England & Wales.
i agree with the tax the rich rhetoric as they should contribute more to society but can anyone please explain to me how we get past the problem of the more you tax the rich the more leave the country and its better that they pay some tax than leave and pay no tax. Honestly would love a reply to that rhetoric i hear.
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And then they try to do that, can’t collect it as they are clever and mobile, and go after moderate to good earners with families to support instead.
I couldn’t agree with her more. Growth is a smokescreen. The way our economy is rigged the vast majority of any growth we end up seeing will be fleeting, and hoovered up by the mega rich.
The country has plenty of money.
Well said that woman !
Economic growth is so fucking laughable… Every time I see a headline about how the UK economy is “back on track” I take one look at my bills and living expenses and spit out my fucking coffee. The economy grows while the people decline, great.
Ah, we need to Tax the rich! I’m amazed nobody has thought of this before.
Tax the rich properly
The whole point of life is to scrape by until you get to 65 and then spend what little you have managed to save before the heart disease or dementia gets you! Stop trying to enjoy yourself and just be miserable, that was never the deal.
I don’t disagree with the point. Redistribution of wealth. Fine.
….how?
The only ways to achieve it are voluntarily, through taxation, or by force.
The motivations are right but disnae mean her conclusions are sound. Taxing the rich and giving the government a tiny bit more money when they already squander the lot of it means fuck all.
If you want actual tax, target non-domestic mega corps, and if you want to help the people you need to make housing actually affordable on a living wage. But they won’t, because the problem with the greens is they can aggressively point out problems and then turn around and blow their foot off with a shotgun.
Never forgot it’s the workers who generate the wealth
They just don’t get to see it
Lorna Slater just continues to grow in presence – once she is free of the pompous Patrick Harvie.
I mean the woman could probably build a bridge and a wind turbine from scratch. She also has an impressive ability to distil stuff down – even if the moronic voters don’t want to hear it.
Re wealth. She isn’t wrong. Rich people forget they need to live on the same planet as the rest of us – but continue to shit on it and insist on more wealth than they can spend in several lifetimes – they also believe they create wealth in a vacuum when it fact it needs a functioning society.
As laudable a notion as redistributing the wealth is it’ll never happen in this country
This country is full of people who continually vote against their own self interest.
[deleted]
We need wealth taxes not as a funding source for government (although that’s also useful) but as a defense against the rising ultra-rich and their outsized impact on the economy.
It’ll take more than a tax imo.
We were all sold a lie about “trickle-down” economy.
Money stays at the higher echelons or gets hoovered off to foreign shareholders.
Capitalism as a driver in a mercantile economy is fine, as long as the people tasked to police the system have everyone’s best interests at heart. Unfortunately these people are politicians who are wedded to political dogma, self-enrichment, or both.
Scotland tax the fuck out of anyone who earns an average income. Do they all feel better off?
And I’m sure Lorna Slater’s awful decision making cost Scottish taxpayers millions – would anyone else want to give their hard earned money to her to waste?
The green approved tax policy under the BHA didn’t work.
It’s a great soundbite, but if ‘tax the rich’ was as simple and easy as she makes out every country would just do that.
What she is not talking about, because she’s not very bright, is the fact the Britain has to act in concert with the rest of the world. Britain could very easily stop billionaires from taking loans as untaxed income, but then they will just move their residence to Ireland. Britain could tax its citizens globally like the US but there is nothing to stop people handing in their citizenship. I find people like her so tedious because they are just lapping up applause without offering a realistic solution. A case in point is tax revenue dropped when Britain scrapped the non dom benefits as people moved or reorganised their assets. In the 70s attempts to tax the rich at eye watering levels failed abysmally. If you want to know why the Rolling Stones exile on main st was recorded in the south of France it’s because the band moved abroad to avoid the UK taxes. So Lorna can lap up the applause but she doesn’t have an answer. I don’t have an answer. I also don’t pretend to have an answer. If you do a wealth tax on billionaires without it being in concert with other nations they will move to Dublin. Ireland has zero interest in imposing these taxes as its whole economy is based on tax fraud and undercutting its neighbours.
Absolutely and also tax them on the square foot of property they own.
Absolutely agree with her. I also love how they’re trying to do the ‘let’s blame people on benefits’ thing again and it’s not working this time. A lot more people have seen that it’s just not true and are less likely to believe the propaganda now. The uber-wealthy are the real problem here.
Crackpot who couldnt run a bath.
Good luck getting any of my wealth off me Lorna.
Somehow I reckon the people whose job it is to advise me on tax are more competent than youll ever be.
Watermelon boot.
She is not wrong.
I don’t understand why this isn’t the #1 issue for at least 75% of voters. It’s insane how think tanks, politicians and the media actually manage to succeed in distracting so many people from it.
Economic Growth needs to go hand in hand/reflect an improvement of living standards, and we should measure the success of growth off of that metric.
Trouble is that this is Trump level disinformation. The number of millionaires and billionaires in the UK is falling – and falling faster than anywhere else. So either wealthy distribution is more extreme than anywhere else, or they are taking ALL their taxes elsewhere. Nice headline. Totally false analysis. Source: Henley Wealth Migration Dashboard 2024
Comical that the top two posts in the sub atm are this one with a cracking discussion that communism is the way to go and that stalin and mao wernt that bad, and the other one that is a bot reposting a twitter screenshot (which is meant to be banned?)
Never change r/scotland
True… and its fucking depressing! These sick cunts are quite happy to watch the average person suffer for their wealth!
When they threaten to up and leave, tell them to fuck off, we want to build something that’s worth a damn for generations to come. If they don’t want to be a part of that, they shouldn’t be, but we should take back some of what they’ve siphoned from the nation on the way out!
Growth. 🤪
Kevin Bridges had it right, put dole money up to £1000 a week. They aren’t going to hoard it in offshore accounts, they would spend it in their local economys. Extreme example made for comic effect but he is technically correct.
What she means by “increase tax on the wealthy” is ‘increase tax on anyone not on minimum wage’.
Redistributing wealth from people earning 35k to people earning 20k is a crazy way to ruin a country.
Ye i massively agree, but its a problem of money makes money. Weathy also don’t need to borrow at shit rates like us mortals do they just leverage assets. We basically pay double for our houses once you factor in all the interest we pay. Just for having money those banks make shit loads more money investing the money we give them or they “create”. Super wealthy are the ones that need toning down but it needs to be worldwide, one country can’t do it as they just move.
They will defend their money at all costs, propaganda in news etc. It won’t be an easy thing. Maybe in our kids lifetime we can make small changes that help.
…… says the clown who squandered millions on the Deposit Return Scheme. A vanity project from someone who was gifted a position in the Scottish government to support SNP getting back in.
Only 4 people voted for the Greens.
We have definitely arrived at a position where lack of money in the lower economy is starting to hurt spending power. Eventually they will realise that is we can no longer afford to buy their cars, phones, coffees, whatever, they are stuffed.
Money is tight because so much of it is siphoned away to offshore accounts by the super wealthy. And the appalling rent seeking nature of the UK rich really doesn’t help.
Society needs to be restructured- new rules- fairer distribution of wealth and access to quality services.
The government should provide every family with a warm secure safe home, a basic level of power/heat for each home, quality free health services from cradle to grave, access to free education.
The education system and political system need radical reform to meet the needs of modern society rather than the archaic ideas of the 19th century.
WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO LIVE LIKE WE CURRENTLY DO..
BILLIONAIRES SHOULD BE “ABOLISHED”. There should be a maximum limit on wealth. There is a finite amount of money in circulation it should be illegal for a mega rich class to horde money that could be put to better use in improving society.
I mean, as a sceptic of the Scottish Greens, she’s not wrong.
It’s interesting seeing Helena from No Justice comparing Slater to what she sees as the timid leadership of the Green Party of England & Wales.
i agree with the tax the rich rhetoric as they should contribute more to society but can anyone please explain to me how we get past the problem of the more you tax the rich the more leave the country and its better that they pay some tax than leave and pay no tax. Honestly would love a reply to that rhetoric i hear.
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