Ukraine fears being cut out of talks between America and Russia

https://www.economist.com/europe/2025/02/12/ukraine-fears-being-cut-out-of-talks-between-america-and-russia

30 comments

  1. Based on the comments from Hegseth and the White House, they already are.

    ….and the EU?

    Helloooo, are you there?

  2. As we have seen in Molotov-Ribbentrop pact … oops wrong post again.

  3. Ukraine gets a chance to take a delightful breather with its Euro Nanny while the big boys gather around for some important business chats! It’s like a playful timeout that brings everyone together for a little fun and learning!

  4. Nothing like a couple of Dictators discussing your fate while you’re relegated to the kiddie table.

  5. Ukraine- why are you fearing this- YOU DECIDE! Hold the line- give them NOTHING. I am sure Zelensky has a plan for this- I mean anyone with half a brain knew Trump was Putin’s biaatch .
    I knew this was going to happen. Just surprised it took this long.

  6. Its not really peace talks if one of two war parties isn’t attending. Its more like an ultimatum.

  7. The part that literally all of you are forgetting is that just because the US says they negotiated a peace, doesn’t mean Ukraine has to accept it; and I know what you’re gonna say “oh the US will pull support” bro they already have; it’s time for the EU to show a backbone and do what the US won’t.

  8. Once again, the US has proven to the world that sticking their nose into issues outside of themselves only proves to screw it up even more.

    One day, and hopefully sooner now, the US will just be a tiny voice in the corner that loudly screeches about something and either gets its own head pat or ignored completely. That will be a nice world.

  9. Absolutely ridiculous that the only parties discussing Ukraines sovereignty are the two countries who do not have Ukraines interests at heart.

    All of Europe needs to stand up for Ukraine, for they are doing the heavy lifting trying to protect Europe from Russian aggression.

  11. If you don’t get a seat at the table.. then you are on the menu

  13. Zelensky needs to understand that in order to be at the table with Trump you either

    1 )have to have something on him or

    2) have had to pay him under the table.

  14. What? Trump literally called ukraine PM AFTER russia call and ukraine PM said they had a great call? shitty article by a journalist with TDS lol

  16. It’s a good thing Trump doesn’t have a history of talking to our enemies without including our partners in the conversation…

    *slams drawer filled with document’s from the Doha Agreements shut*

  18. Trump when asked if Ukraine are an important part of the negotiations with Russia:

    > [several seconds confused pause]

    > “Uh, that’s an interesting question”

    They aren’t even on his mind when the sane answer for any world leader is an instant “Yes, of course.”

  19. Of course they’ll be cut off. Anyone with common sense could’ve seen this coming. Surely Zelenskyy isn’t so naive to not see this?

  20. Under Donald kumpf, it very well could occur. We don’t have a decent president anymore. Just an evil dictator that started on day 1 as promised.

  21. If Europe does not wake up now, I do not know when it will. Presently Russia is spending more for its defense and goals than EU combined. How are they expected to fight anyone if U.S. does not come to the aid of Ukraine. They are not even directly participating in negotiations. It has boiled down to Trump and Putin.

    EU needs to go on war footing to have any leverage, just like Russia has.

  22. Is there a pattern here? Balfour & Palestine, partition in India spring immediately to mind. Lack of consideration for the locals seems to be a common theme.

  23. Make no mistake there, the US is no longer your ally. 

    They switched side.

  25. Appears to be using the Afghan/Doha model of negotiations. Likely will cut out Ukraine and the EU or limit involvement, make the EU responsible for “peace keeping” and then blame the EU when things go bad.

  26. Trump may have been told that he can get the same rare earths deal if the Russians control the region.

  27. The US just pulled an Italy. Europe had better prepare for WW3, because it won’t take long now before China makes its move on Taiwan and Nato falls apart.

  28. Seems like we needs new books titled:

    • The Sleepwalkers: Why Europe slept through Russian expansion and imperialism.

    • The Munich Agreement 2.0: How Russia and the US decided Ukraine’s fate without the Ukrainians.

  30. since it’s behind a paywall, can you please paste the contents?

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